Showing posts with label on justice of God. Show all posts
Showing posts with label on justice of God. Show all posts

Tuesday, 5 January 2016

Was Dwight Ever Outright Heretic? If So, it is Here I Blamed him


1) Φιλολoγικά/Philologica : Fable and Allegory, 2) Correspondence of Hans Georg Lundahl : With Dwight on Definition of Fundies, 3) Dwight Longenecker Not Knowing What Computers Are, and Not Answering a Challenge On It, 4) With Dwight on Fundies, Again, 5) One item on Dwight, related to Teen Marriages, 6) Was Dwight Ever Outright Heretic? If So, it is Here I Blamed him, 7) Φιλολoγικά/Philologica (again) : Dwight Longenecker and Bildungsroman

Me to Dwight
13/05/15 à 10h37
This one too, Modernist Heretic!
Here* is a piece of utter blasphemous heresy, worthy of the once well known Dean Inge of sad memory:

"Instead, we should think of it like this: God is good, beautiful and true and it his nature to pour his graces into the world at all times. His goodness, truth and beauty radiates in and through his creation as the sunlight radiates into the world bring light and life to all things. This radiation of goodness, truth and beauty is never ending, all present and all powerful.

"Prayer is the means by which we join our will with His will. If you like we become the channels and directors of that goodness, truth and beauty in the world.

...

"We’ve all experimented with a magnifying glass to make a fire. The magnifying glass harnesses and focusses the existing sunlight for a particular purpose: to light a fire. I believe prayer works like that magnifying glass: it concentrates, focusses and magnifies God’s great power for a particular application.

"That works: Then I remember that in the Magnificat the Blessed Mother sings, “My soul magnifies the Lord…” and I wonder if this other deeper meaning is part of the mystery of her who’s whole life was a prayer."


This makes:

  • 1) God impersonal, like pantheism does, unless one prefers to say your rubbish IS pantheism;
  • 2) bypasses and in a quiet way actually does away with God's being all knowing.


Bruce Almighty might be bad, but not half as bad as your text.

Repent or go to Hell.

THIS rubbish is certainly NOT what I intended to convert to when leaving Swedish Church for Catholicism, indeed, it is kind of what I hated about Modernist Lutherans even while technically being one myself.

If you want a debate, that is fine, and if you want to be "mature", do that not by fudging theology, but by defending or recanting your theses. Feel free to suspend my warning (which is btw not an ecclesiastic superior one, I am not pretending to be your bishop or pope) until debate is over, when I hope you might be doing sth better than chosing the Hellfire.

Your "other deeper meaning" is heresy and adding heresy to a word with Marian connexion, especially one by Herself, is also insulting to Our Lady.

Hans Georg Lundahl
from Nanterre University Library
on St Robert Bellarmine
(and Our Lady of Fatima, by now?)
13-V-2015

* How Does God Answer Prayer?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/how-does-god-answer-prayer


So, if above is heresy, where is truth? Here:
God grants prayers as He wishes. How pleasing a person is to Him is certainly part of why He wishes or not to do so. But any event He is perfectly free to grant even the worst prayer, as to the quality of soul praying and of attitude in prayer, and to deny any prayer, even the best, except He will not do that to prayers of His Blessed Mother. God wants us, but does not need us, to prepare the arrival of His goodness by praying and by praying well and by being in the state of grace while praying.

Wednesday, 18 November 2015

To Kent Hovind on Mass Killings Ordered by God


1) Correspondence of Hans Georg Lundahl : To Kent Hovind on Mass Killings Ordered by God, 2) Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere : ... on Several Matters, Including Carbon Dating, Canaaneans, and Ape DNA, 3) ... on Kent Hovind's Answer, Which I Link To

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Me to Kent Hovind
10/11/15 à 09h08
(in France this means 10th of November, not October 11th!)
This is DISTURBING, Sir!
I am right now in a library where I cannot watch your video and check what you said, but this is what someone else referred to it as saying:

(linking to my source)
https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2015/11/09/kent-hovind-and-other-theologians-justify-biblical-genocide/

[Intro by Jerry Coyne]
Reader John sent me this video made by the disgraced (just out of prison for tax evasion and other crimes) but still active young-earth creationist Kent Hovind. While the 35-minute video includes Hovind’s usual blather about evolution and creationism, the reader wanted us to see Hovind’s justification for the Canaanite genocide. His/her email:

[Letter by John, cited by Jerry Coyne]
“Dr.” Kent Hovind has recently been released from prison and is back online, answering emails from the public in a daily Youtube broadcast.

In his November 5th 2015 video, he put his own spin–the most monstrous I’ve yet encountered–on the fictional Yahweh’s proclivity for genocide: apparently, mass murder of the Canaanites by Yahweh’s servant Joshua was a necessary public health response to the population’s bestiality-induced infectious disease burden! According to Hovind, the extermination of the Canaanites, innocent children included, can be considered entirely analogous to a physician prescribing an antibiotic to eradicate bacterial infection!

Imagine if you or Richard Dawkins or Peter Singer said such a thing!

The relevant excerpt of the video–amongst a half-hour of inane blather–begins at 6:30 minutes in: ...

[Jerry Coyne again]
The following is my [John’s] transcript (verbatim by intention, or, at least, as close to verbatim as I can manage):

[What Kent Hovind is supposed to have said:]
“As far as God telling ’em to wipe out the Midianites, well, there were nations that were so full of diseases and things like that … that God said, “Yes, they need to all be wiped out, especially, like, the Canaanites in that land”. God told Joshua, “When you go into the land, utterly annihilate them! Kill ’em all!” Well, one of the things the Canaanites did was sex with animals, and had all kinds of diseases … and … and … just endemic in the civilization, and God said, “Wipe ’em all out!” No different than a doctor saying, “Take this pill that’s gonna kill every bacteria [sic], even the little baby ones that haven’t done anything wrong. Yeah, we’re gonna kill ’em all, ’cause if you leave onebehind or one resistant one behind, the disease can come back with a vengeance!”

[Back to my words:]
  • 1) Were these your actual words?

  • 2) Are they taken out of context, so that you really give another explanation for the mass execution ordered by God, but take the health effect as a bonus for obeying God in this command?

    I would like an answer in mail, please don't think it will be wasted, I have a blog for correspondences like this one (any answer will be considered as your consenting to my blogging it).


Correspondence of Hans Georg Lundahl
http://correspondentia-ioannis-georgii.blogspot.com


Hans Georg Lundahl

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Answers from KH?
None per mail, and if one per video, it was not sent in any link. I was not very able to hear his videos or anyone else's, and might get a possibility later. But not in this library./HGL


I might as well take issue with Jerry Coyne's friend John for writing these words:

Imagine if you or Richard Dawkins or Peter Singer said such a thing!

Since Kent Hovind is a Christian, at least sort of (not Catholic = not fully Christian), he does believe (as much as I do, I suppose) there is a difference between the Testaments. This involves in NT times there is a standing order of "making disciples" and this "of all nations". Not "of people from all nations", but of "all nations" in their entirety. But a nation which is wiped out is incapable of becoming a disciple. Therefore God cannot in NT times be ordering Christians to wipe out any nations. Now, if it had been a Jewish rabbi, especially one who sees Palestinians as "Canaanites", that would have been cause of alarm or of comparison with Peter Singer./HGL