- As I publish
- I am on a Sunday enjoying the fruits of someone's good prayers for my comfort (except for a good night's sleep). I am also wondering if Pope Michael could have sth to do with that. I am however reluctant to have my life run on bases that make publishing of my blogs on paper - republishing - and family very hard to get, if he's praying for that too.
Other item, I am publishing before parsing urlfor most links, so, be patient while I update, please!/HGL
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- Pope Michael to me
- 10/10/2017 at 3:11 PM
- Frater's sermon
- Frater Francis Dominic's Sermon
Sermon for the 18th Sunday after Pentecost
Fasting and praying for our Priest, our Parishes and the Church.
The whole movement of Israel FROM BABYLON TO JERUSALEM was born and carried forward by men who were selflessly concerned for the furtherance of God's work. For this they fasted and prayed. This is how it is going to be in the Church to day. Those who seek the honour of God's Name, the coming of His kingdom and the fulfillment of His will on earth as it is in heaven, will fast and pray and thus accomplish God's purposes.
Daniel was a man who frequently fasted and prayed. Ezra too was a man who knew how to fast and pray when leading a group of Israelites from Babylon to Jerusalem ( I Esdras 8:21).
Nehemiah wept and fasted and prayed when he heard that Jerusalem was broken down and its walls burnt with fire (II Esdras 1:4). He didn't criticise the Israelites in Jerusalem for being lazy or selfish. No. He fasted and prayed for them. He was so burdened that even the king noticed his grief. Finally, Nehemiah gave up his position and his comfort in the palace in order to go and rebuild the walls of Jerusalem.
Have we ever been grieved like Nehemiah, because the work of the Lord is not progressing? Have we ever fasted and prayed like he did, because we saw that things were not going well with the church? Do we ever pray for the Pope and the clergy the way we should?
I wonder if we realise that those who serve God and preach His Word faithfully are targets of Satan's wrath. They are high on Satan's hit-list. Let me recommend that we be careful about criticism we might give about them, for Satan can do that job quite well, without our help! Instead pray for them a little more in the coming days, that they will be preserved from the attacks of the enemy.
As in Israel 2000 years ago, so it is in today's world, many of the Lord's sheep are scattered here and there, without shepherds to care for them. Many are the hirelings in our land who capture there souls. Few are the shepherds who are willing to lay down their lives for the flock. No-one has the right to preach God's Word to God's flock if he has no burden for the sheep, and if he does not pray for them regularly.
Matthew 9:36-38: And seeing the multitudes, he had compassion on them: because they were distressed, and lying like sheep that have no shepherd. Then he saith to his disciples, The harvest indeed is great, but the labourers are few. Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he send forth labourers into his harvest.
Jeremiah 3:15: And I will give you pastors according to my own heart, and they shall feed you with knowledge and doctrine.
Pray that the Lord of the harvest will give us shepherds after His own heart into the harvest at this time.
Our Comments
Dom Gueranger comments: “The Holy Ghost, Who has guaranteed the infallible purity of the doctrine taught officially from the apostolic Chair, has not pledged Himself to protect in a like degree from all failure either the virtue, or the private judgment, or even the administrative acts of the Sovereign Pontiff. In order to promote this marvelous union which the Creator made to reign both upon earth and in heaven, our Lord, when He founded the society of saints upon the authentic and immutable basis of the faith of Peter, willed that to the prayers of all should be confided the charge of completing his work by obtaining for the successor of Peter such preservative graces as do not of themselves spring from the divine constitution of the Church.”
To effectively discharge Our duties as Pope We need the support of your prayers.
Pope Pius IX said on one occasion: “Give me an army to spend its time on the battlefield of prayer and I will conquer all those who oppose me.” The greatest battles won over the powers of darkness have been gained by the praying army of the Church. We can preach and teach, but without the support of fervent prayer We cannot succeed. Remember God softens hearts and opens them to receive His Word. We are merely a transmitter of these truths to the hearts God has opened.
Our prayer must have several qualities.
After the Ascension and before Pentecost we read: “All these were persevering with one mind in prayer with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.” And Jesus told the Apostles: “But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved.” (Matthew 24:13) The first quality our prayer must have is perseverance. It took Saint Monica eighteen years to bring about the conversion of her son, Augustine.
We must have faith that God will fulfill all of His promises and provide us with all that we need. “And the Lord said: If you had faith like to a grain of mustard seed, you might say to this mulberry tree, Be thou rooted up, and be thou transplanted into the sea: and it would obey you.” (Luke 17:6)
We must also be thankful for all of the many graces and benefits God has bestowed on us. God has blessed us to enable us to be a blessing to others. This we do through prayer and good works.
“Saying: Father, if thou wilt, remove this chalice from me: but yet not my will, but thine be done.” (Luke 22:42) We must pray and be in the will of God.
“For the continual prayer of a just man availeth much.” (James 5:16) And finally we must be just. Job (18:9) says: “And the just man shall hold on his way, and he that hath clean hands shall be stronger and stronger.” We must be clean and this is where we may be failing, which is why our prayers are not being answered.
In the matter of conversion we desire for another person what we do not truly desire for our own self. We are content with giving God 99% of our self, but hold back a portion for our self. Let's take a gallon of chocolate chip ice cream and stir in an ounce of mouse droppings. Do you want a bowl? And yet what we would not eat our self is what we are offering Almighty God. We want to keep our pet sins, rather than desiring a complete change of our customs and habits. We are content with half measures rather than a complete conversion. We must give up everything and conform our self completely to His holy will. He will then clean our hearts and our prayer will become effective.
Saint Peter advises us: “Wherefore, brethren, labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election. For doing these things, you shall not sin at any time.” (II Peter 1:10) We need to examine our conscience and make sure we are truly where God wants us and that we are holding absolutely nothing back. This is especially true, if our prayers are not being answered.
And so, let us ask God to purify our hearts and then let us pray,
+Michael pp
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- Me to Pope Michael
- 10/10/2017 at 4:31 PM
- Re: Frater's sermon
- Your Holiness, II Peter 1:10 will come handy when continuing this tomorrow:
http://creavsevolu.blogspot.fr/2017/10/cmi-strays-into-protestant-hagiography.html
http://greatbishopofgeneva.blogspot.fr/2017/10/what-luther-got-wrong-more-pt-2-of.html
http://greatbishopofgeneva.blogspot.fr/2017/10/was-bible-for-or-against-luthers-work.html
That said, some support for my getting things printed and sold would be appreciated.
My Swedish benefector who sends me 100 € / month got a booklet not yet folded which he could have reproduced before folding and sewing, and, since it was recondite Creation Science (on carbon dating, a kind of limit for how fast and slow the carbon build up between Flood and basically times of Abraham could be). He seemed less interested in ANY reproduction. While I am not against his reprinting my poetry at all, I got a vague impression he could have meant I should make a poetry collection myself.
I am basically a writer more than a printer.
http://enfrancaissurantimodernism.blogspot.fr/2017/06/on-campus.html
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- Pope Michael to me
- 11/3/2017 at 5:18 PM
- Help
- Dear friends in Christ,
We are working on a project to prepare a book, which covers why we held a papal election 27 years ago. We would like your input and questions to help Us cover all important points. As We prepare thing We will post them here http://pope-michael.com/pope-michael/summary-of-the-position/
We have already posted a great deal, as much is already written and merely needs editing and in some cases expansion. We look forward to your input and help.
+Michael pp
This is an act of Catholic Action, encouraged by several Popes, including Pope Saint Pius X. We all have a duty to Almighty God. http://pope-michael.com/pope-michael/summary-of-the-position/duties-of-catholics-to-the-church-and-to-the-members-of-the-church/catholic-action/
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- Me to Pope Michael
- 11/3/2017 at 6:30 PM
- Re: Help
- Important points:
- if certain cardinals could have been bona fide, were they contacted (thinking specifically of Cardinal Stickler
- how many in the Catholic resistance were contacted.
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- Me to Fr Anthony Cekada
- On Sep 25, 2017, at 8:36 AM
- traditionalmass.org | INFORMATION REQUEST
- On Una Cum English monarch: http://filolohika.blogspot.fr/2017/09/una-cum-rege-nostro-n.html
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- Fr Anthony Cekada to me
- Monday, September 25, 2017 at 2:42 PM
- Re: traditionalmass.org | INFORMATION REQUEST
- Dear Mr. Lundahl,
Thanks for the link!
Fr. Cekada
St. Gertrude the Great Church
4900 Rialto Rd • West Chester OH 45069
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- Me to Pope Michael and Fr Anthony Cekada
- 11/16/2017 at 3:37 PM
- Re: traditionalmass.org | INFORMATION REQUEST
- Here is another one, on St Gertrude's day!
http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.fr/2017/11/no-paul-price-no-pastor-kim.html
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- Pope Michael to me
- 12/2/2017 at 3:59 PM
- Internet Radio
- http://www.viecatholicradio.com/
Dear friends in Christ,
With the beginning of the ecclesiastical year, we are launching our internet radio station.
Many other things are moving forward slowly here. We ask your prayers, especially in Advent, which we should observe as a little Lent. May God bless all of you and We extend Our Apostolic blessing as we enter this holy season.
+Michael pp
p.s. What are you getting for Jesus for His birthday this year?
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- Pope Michael to me
- 12/25/2017 at 2:10 PM
- Blessed Christmas
- Dear friends in Christ,
We will be praying for all of you this Christmas season, that has just begun. This has been a very busy year for us, which is why We have not written as much. Let us all bring the gift of our heart to Jesus on this, His birthday.
At the beginning of Advent, we launched our internet radio station here. Check it out. https://www.viecatholicradio.com/
May God bless you this Christmas season,
+Michael pp
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- Me to Pope Michael
- 12/26/2017 at 3:48 PM
- Re: Blessed Christmas
- same to you, Your Holiness!
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- Pope Michael to me
- 12/30/2017 at 4:40 PM
- New Year's Resolution
- Oremus,
Dear friends,
We do not ordinarily ask for or make resolutions for the beginning of the New Year. This year We are making an exception. Let us make 2018 the Year of Prayer.
The Church runs on prayer. The success of the Pope in accomplishing his task depends not on the abilities and talents God has given Us. No, it depends on the prayers of the members of the Church. Your prayers are essential to the Church.
We would like to quote from one of Our staff: “God is looking for men and women even today in our land, who will stand in the gap for the Church - selfless people, who are not taken up with just their own needs, but who are concerned about God's work. Many believers think that sanctification means just the refinement of their personal conduct and behaviour. But true sanctification makes a person selfless like God is - or in other words, like Jesus. …
“Many are willing to deny themselves and take up the cross if that will bring them some benefit - perhaps some spiritual benefit such as a place in the Bride of Christ finally - but still something for themselves. But if we were to ask ourselves, what we have denied ourselves solely for the benefit of others, we may discover that the answer is, 'Almost nothing'.”
There is never a time to ask: “what is in it for me?” Instead we should say: “Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?” (Acts 9:6) As we pray for the needs of the Church; let us also ask God what He wants us to do to help His holy Church.
And so, let us pray,
Oremus,
+Michael pp
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- Me to Pope Michael
- 12/30/2017 at 6:58 PM
- Re: New Year's Resolution
- you know, being able to pray has sth to do with material situation
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- Pope Michael to me
- 1/1/2018 at 3:58 PM
- As we begin to pray
- Dear friends,
We woke up this morning to the following from Francis Dominic:
"And I sought among them for a man that might set up a hedge, and stand in the gap........ and I found none." (Ezekiel 22:30).
God has many tasks he desires to have accomplished in this world, and all of them are not as equal in how hard they are. For some tasks, He may use anyone. But for the harder task, the tasks that take more work and sacrifice, not everyone is prepared to do. For such vital tasks, God has to have a person who has been tested and proved through many trials and testings. And if such a person is not immediately available, then God will wait until such a person IS available. God does not do His work with the best available person, as men do. He will wait to do the work when he has someone perfect for the job.
We should never therefore desire to be merely used by God. We should seek to be valuable to His work. If that sounds strange to the ears listen to What Saint Pauls has to say to Saint Timothy:
"But the sure foundation of God standeth firm, having this seal: the Lord knoweth who are his; and let every one depart from iniquity who nameth the name of the Lord. But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and earth: and some indeed unto honour, but some unto dishonour. If any man therefore shall cleanse himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified and profitable to the Lord, prepared unto every good work." (2 Timothy 2:19-21).
A man may use vessels of different materials in his work. But he will not value the earthen pots and the wooden crates as much as he values the gold and silver vessels. In the same way, although all who are Christians may be equally children of God, every child of God is NOT equally useful to Him in His work. Although there is no partiality with God, yet every vessel is not (in the words of Saint Paul), a sanctified,profitable, useful vessel. God prizes only very few, because they alone seek His will and His glory wholeheartedly.
This is why we must cleanse ourselves constantly from "all filthiness of the flesh and spirit" (in other words, from everything that is unlike Christ within us), if we are to be valuable vessels to God.
"Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of the flesh and of the spirit, perfecting sanctification in the fear of God" (2 Corinthians 7:1)
Once a person becomes a valuable vessel, God will depend on him greatly for His work. If such a man fails God, God's work will be halted temporarily, until God can find another man whom He can use. Or take the vessel of silver or Gold that is unusable and melt it down and purify it in the fires until it is moldable for His use again.
In the history of the world, of Israel and of the Church, we see a number of examples of how God has very often been dependent on just ONE man in a particular situation to accomplish His purposes. But one man with God is always a majority.
And We would like to comment as we begin praying this year. Someone receiving this email is called to make an act of total self-sacrifice, because the person God calls is called to a life of selflessness. The rest of us are called to back you up in every way possible.
Oremus,
+Michael pp
p.s. Frater, We would like more inspirations.
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- Me to Pope Michael
- 1/1/2018 at 5:18 PM
- Re: As we begin to pray
- parlando di questo, santità! normalmente un papa è vescovo di Roma
normalmente un vescovo di Roma reside a Roma e no a Avignione o a Topeka
supposto che su santità è il vero papa, tosto o tarde Dio va far una possibilità per residere a Roma
su santità è preparato? gia parla italiano, al meno un poco?
(I am sorry, I can only write it, not sure even if it is "a Roma" or "in Roma" for Italian, "a Roma" could be a gallicism).
La risoluzione di apprendere italiano al meno è fatta, santità?
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- Pope Michael to me
- 1/2/2018 at 2:43 PM
- Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, end the Great Apostasy
- Dear friends in Jesus,
Over seven yeas ago, someone recommend that all of us pray regularly: “Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, end the Great Apostasy.” As we celebrate the feast of the Holy Name of Jesus, let us consider how powerful this Holy Name is. This is what inspired someone so many years ago to write this prayer.
We are asking Jesus to end the Great Apostasy. Let us ask Jesus to begin by ending the spirit of apostasy in our own hearts. Saint Augustine says: “Heresies are only embraced by those who had they persevered in the faith, would be lost by the irregularity of their lives.” If we go back seven decades and look at the lives of the average practicing Catholic, we find that there were faithful to Mass on Sunday, fish on Friday and five bucks in the collection place. After that their lives were quite irregular. They already had the spirit of apostasy in their hearts. This worsened in the 1950's. Catholics had become lax minimal Catholics. Yes, they avoided the worse sins in the main, but they were lax, especially in their entertainment. Much could be said on this, but rather let us look at our own lives.
How worldly are we? Saint Paul tells us: “And be not conformed to this world; but be reformed in the newness of your mind, that you may prove what is the good, and the acceptable, and the perfect will of God.” (Romans 12:2) The word ecclesia, which is where we get the Latin word for Church, means called out ones. We are called out of the world unto sanctification. We are called to live differently than our worldly neighbors.
Jesus, help me to remove the spirit of apostasy from my own thinking and from my own life,
Oremus,
+Michael pp
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- Me to Pope Michael
- 1/2/2018 at 4:26 PM
- Re: Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, end the Great Apostasy
- " This worsened in the 1950's. Catholics had become lax minimal Catholics. Yes, they avoided the worse sins in the main, but they were lax, especially in their entertainment. "
Let us put it like this.
1920-30's Catholics had to become, if not Puritan, at least vigilant about cinema. There was much smut back then.
Then came the Hays' code, and Catholics thought the establishment had taken over the duty of vigilance, which means a legitimate softening, except for doctrinal matters.
However, at the same time Hollywood is often portraying its version of Christianity as having Catholic externals (Dracula is of course a bit unusually specific in confessional matters, since the consecrated hosts were obtained from Old Catholics with the mention Catholics refused to provide them for that purpose).
This means, one is not exactly either in an atmosphere where Catholics need to watch anti-Catholic slurs in entertainment (very unlike the work of for instance Victor Hugo, where Paris in 1482 - ten years before Columbus - is portrayed as having a very corrupt bishop who is simply not to be identified historically, very unlike the work of Voltaire, in which Candide shudders at Spanish Fanaticism, I am not sure if there was any film version this era of Washington Irving, but if so, I think Hollywood might have softened the AntiCatholic bent of Columbus compared to original novel).
Sherlock Holmes may be an Atheist, but he is not of the Dawkensite type. A Catholic viewer of cinema or television would be spared some of the anti-metaphysical side, and what came through could be considered as a weakness in a person one would pray for (in my fan fic on mainly Susan Pevensie, but also some others, I have Sherlock Holmes dead when the story starts, reconciled to the Church by Father Brown who is also a friend of the Doctor Watson who testifies Susan is not mad).
In other words, I don't think the lack of specific vigilance would be really the equivalent of laxism.
It seems St Pius X was more laxist than some Spanish bishop - that one seems to have forbidden dancing, while the holy Pope allowed one couple to perform a tango and concluded "I don't think it is a mortal sin, but it is less pretty than the Furlana".
It is also possible, the tango as performed before the Pope was downtoned and less evocative than what was going on in Habana (tango being a developed Habanera) or in Argentina (Buenos Aires being the home of tango proper). If so, this may or may not mean tango as danced now, normally has been influenced by what H H Saint Pius X could accept in laymen.
I can't totally exonerate entertainment, but more because it was, in the past century, overwhelmingly taking certain non-Catholic tenets for granted. This is a thing which can be avoided. Songs with dubious content can be replaced by instrumental music, which is what I am usually composing. Entertainment, both as song and as film and as written form story can instead take Catholic values for granted, or even better, defend them against a fictitious opposition which matches the real one (see Father Brown, see Tolkien and CSL)./HGL
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- Pope Michael to me
- 1/4/2018 at 4:00 PM
- Two important questions
- Dear friends in Christ,
A century ago a Bishop sent out two simple questions to his clergy. We would like to ask all of you, who We are in contact these same questions:
- 1. What is your own practice of prayer?
- 2. What are you teaching others about prayer?
Obviously this second question will vary, depending on your state of life. For the single, there may not be much to say. For married people, especially those who have children, how are you teaching your spouse and children? And of course, for the clergy, what and how are you teaching your flock about prayer?
We await your answers.
+Michael pp
- 1. What is your own practice of prayer?
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- Me to Pope Michael
- 1/4/2018 at 4:22 PM
- Re: Two important questions
- 1) I used to pray 5 to 15 decades a day, but worldly worries have brought me away from this (when I have time by being awake very early, I am too tired and angry to pray)
- 2) I recommend the Rosary and the Jesus prayer.
You may be interested also in what I had to say about alpha state (a k a hypnotic state) and prayer:
http://hgl-hypno-journal.blogspot.fr/2017/03/viii-quora-what-do-islamic-99-names-and.html
I wonder some why a question originally posed to clergy is here being posed to laymen, though ...
On the other hand, the second question is a fair one for a writer.
When Protestants of certain brands consider that Rosary / Jesus prayer etc is "praying like gentiles", I definitely reccomend them to take a look at last words of a then and there Gentile, Velleius Paterculus, whose Roman history breaks off in 16th year of Tiberius, about the time when Our Lord spoke His teaching, and where his books ends with a prayer to the Pagan gods.
It does NOT look like meditative types of prayer./HGL
- XVII
- Pope Michael to me
- 1/4/2018 at 6:04 PM
- Publishing books
- Dear Hans,
I recall you making a comment on Facebook about my never publishing your book for you.
There are several reasons I publish books. The first is if I believe that people need this knowledge, especially to advance in their spiritual life. The second is to provide good Catholic books in general. And the third is that I like to have a place to lay my head and to eat a couple of times a day. Proverbs says that all things obey money.
Now I need money to promote the work of the Church, such as running the website and the internet radio station. In fact, I have taken a part time job helping a handicapped person in order to raise more money to move Church work forward.
Let us look at the book you want published. First of all, in its current format, it will take a lot of work to complete. I simply do not have the time to publish this particular book, unless I am being paid. Scripture also says that the laborer is worthy of his hire.
Consider the work that needs to be done. The various parts need to be copied into a Word document and formatted. Then I need to proof read the book as well as study it before issuing an imprimatur. I wonder what the Church charged for the work of studying books for issuing imprimaturs?
After all of this, corrections must be made. The final interior file must be prepared. Also a book cover needs to be made. Ask Frater how long that takes him to do.
Createspace charges $300 for up to 10,000 words and three cents a word after that for editing.
A cover costs $400.
And so you see a minimum of $700 and we have not allowed for the imprimatur work.
Now you could cut costs by getting the book formatted in Microsoft Word, which will cut this time. You could submit for imprimatur. And finally you could learn how to design your own cover.
Self-publishing books takes time and money. I know, I have done many books in the last few years.
And the prospect for making money? For Christ the King Library I am making $1.30 per title. True some have never sold, while others make pretty good money. The good news is that once a title is published, it remains available forever and continues to make money, since this information is timeless.
We republished a book seven years ago: “The Pontifical Decrees Against The Doctrine Of The Earth's Movement”. It has sold nine times, so there may not be much interest in this subject.
If you wish to proceed, get to work and compile the book into a single document and send it over for consideration and an estimate on what it will cost to move forward with this project.
+Michael pp
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- Me to Pope Michael
- 1/4/2018 at 9:07 PM
- Re: Publishing books
- Answering several points severally:
"The first is if I believe that people need this knowledge, especially to advance in their spiritual life."
In my case, I am not trying to advance someone's spiritual life, as St. Francis of Sales, I am not a bishop.
I am a layman, and like C. S. Lewis and G. K. Chesterton I am an apologist.
"The second is to provide good Catholic books in general."
I am neither trying to provide a bad nor an un-Catholic one.
"And the third is that I like to have a place to lay my head and to eat a couple of times a day."
My precise most pressing reason for not being quite content with having the blogposts just on internet.
"Now I need money to promote the work of the Church, such as running the website and the internet radio station. In fact, I have taken a part time job helping a handicapped person in order to raise more money to move Church work forward."
In so far as I want to get paper published, I am of course considering the person doing the physical job as getting a deserved part of the money - as he is adjudging it. My conditions say voluntary and that means percentage etc. at discretion royalties. I believe 10 % is customary, and it is about what I expect from a professional publisher. (French computers are forcing me to do extra work because capitalising unduly by spellcheck "Professional Publisher" and "Under" and some more. As "Learning" below. Or "Xerox" - but that I leave as correct.)
That would leave between retailers and yourself 90 %, and your part to be divided between the work you are needing to do the edition and keep it going, and the work you want to get done with money you earn.
"Let us look at the book you want published. First of all, in its current format, it will take a lot of work to complete."
Not so sure of that. It could be tome one of several (there is at least as much material on).
"I simply do not have the time to publish this particular book, unless I am being paid."
I think it would pay you.
"Scripture also says that the laborer is worthy of his hire."
My point about wanting to get an income from the writing I am doing anyway.
"Consider the work that needs to be done. The various parts need to be copied into a Word document and formatted. Then I need to proof read the book as well as study it before issuing an imprimatur. I wonder what the Church charged for the work of studying books for issuing imprimaturs?"
The thing I sent you already went through a word document and formatting. It can be easily copied double face A4 copies, folded, sewn and cut in top to make a readable volume.
This would give you comfortable time to study it while turning pages.
IF you are then interested in a better thing, technically, you could of course put same blog posts onto a word document of yours.
And format it as you like. In such a case you could also include blog posts for my foreseen part II.
However, learning the technique of reproducing in this format by Xerox copies may be a great asset if ever you need to go through a persecution where you need to replenish book stocks in smaller scale and discretely.
"Then I need to proof read the book as well as study it before issuing an imprimatur."
Why not study and issue imprimatur first before any labour on proof reading?
"I wonder what the Church charged for the work of studying books for issuing imprimaturs?"
Presumably nothing, for two reasons :
- 1) some authors were Capuchins and Minims who could pay nothing;
- 2) bishops had incomes through tithes (in Swedish Middle Ages the grain tithe was divided into 1/3 for parish priest, remaining 2/3 divuded in 1/3 bishop, 1/3 Church and 1/3 poors - except coastal areas where there was a fish tithe divided otherwise, and minor tithes to parish priest only, like the Cheese tithe).
"After all of this, corrections must be made."
Such as? I foresee having left very little to correct.
Obviously, if I spell British, I don't think you need to respell American. You may speak American in US and pronounce the R and all that, and pronounce "ego non sum" as "I ain't", but that involves no obligation to spell labour (from Old French labour, later labeur, from Latin accusative laborem) as if "labor" came directly from Latin nominative.
As for an order of a certain president of yours, I am reminded of the saying "Caesar non supra grammaticam". Such an order was totalitarian in nature, and I am opposing a similar one about Swedish, also from 1906.
As to corrections in content, that would involve commenting under the original blog posts, since the first publication of all content in that book is on my blogs. If I accepted one, I would obviously in the post be saying "I have changed in obedience to Pope Michael" on such or such point.
"The final interior file must be prepared. Also a book cover needs to be made. Ask Frater how long that takes him to do."
If I went to a traditional publisher, all of this would be at the publisher's charge, and one way of the author contributing is waiting for royalties until all of that is paid. $700? Get that before paying me anything, then!
"and we have not allowed for the imprimatur work."
And you should not, since charging for that would be simony.
"You could submit for imprimatur."
I practically already did that. Some time ago, [and I got] neither imprimatur nor condemnation of content.
"And finally you could learn how to design your own cover."
If you didn't notice, my page i (not 1 which is further in) IS a cover.
I designed it.
"Self-publishing books takes time and money. I know, I have done many books in the last few years."
I have done so too, but it takes one thing more for doing so commercially (on artisan or industrial scale) : stocking space, the one thing a homeless man has not. Hence the scale has been domestic, sending out examples to relatives and friends and for at least one book to you.
"If you wish to proceed, get to work and compile the book into a single document and send it over for consideration and an estimate on what it will cost to move forward with this project."
But I did : printed out on top of that!
"We republished a book seven years ago: '(The Pontifical Decrees Against The Doctrine Of The Earth's Movement'. It has sold nine times, so there may not be much interest in this subject. "
Some of my work might rekindle interest.
You remind me of Thorin Oakenshield, some, Your Holiness!
Hans Georg Lundahl
- XIX
- Me to Pope Michael and Fr Anthony Cekada
- 1/9/2018 at 6:25 PM
- On Continuationism vs Restorationism and Ecclesio-Imperfectionism, and Protestants being mostly shilly shallying between the latter two
- Link:
http://greatbishopofgeneva.blogspot.fr/2018/01/restorationism-is-consistent.html
- XX
- Pope Michael to me
- 1/11/2018 at 4:07 PM
- I die daily...
- Dear friends,
Frater Francis Dominic has posted several good things on Facebook about dying to self and dying daily. We recommend that you go over and read these things, of ask for a copy.
"I die daily, I protest by your glory, brethren, which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord."
[1 Corinthians 15:31]
How many of us are truly dead to self and totally conformed to the Will of Almighty God?
The spiritual life is actually quite simple: All Thee, Almighty God, and no me. Let us pray that God will kill off our self-sill and replace it with His holy will, as we pray daily: “Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.” May God's will be done in all of us/
Oremus,
+Michael pp
- XXI
- Me to Pope Michael
- 1/12/2018 at 10:53 AM
- Re: I die daily...
- Your Holiness, have you considered that St Paul who said these words was as an Apostle obliged to Apostolic perfection.
The faithful come in three batches, called in a parable 100-fold, 60-fold and 30-fold fruit.
On the single issue of sexuality, one can describe them as virgins, widows, married. That St Thomas does.
In more general terms, one can describe them as religious, devout laymen and laymen trying to keep the commandments.
Before you say "but the best way to keep the commandments is to be devout", note, the best way to be devout is to be religious. But not all faithful are required to be religious. Therefore too not all faithful are required to be devout.
Again, lifelong virginity and widowhood are not the normal means to matrimonial happiness.
The Catholic Church is Catholic, not a club for the most devout.
Some things you say would have been very appropriate from St Francis of Sales to Jeanne de Chantal (not sure if she was cannised or just beatified, but he made her holy, by his direction).
He would not have tried that on her nieces.
After a sermon against immodesty, he caught her nieces showing locks beneath the headgear. They blushed. He gently adjusted the locks into the headgear and, from their blushing, probably, concluded what he told them "I don't think God is too displeased withy you."
- XXII
- Me to Pope Michael, Fr Anthony Cekada and Luka Popov
- 1/14/2018 at 3:52 PM
- "fruit of the earth and work of human hands" - which is more damning?
- See my update on the post on Liturgy of Paul VI probably (from Eucharistic miracle in Buenos Aires) having been valid in certain cases:
http://hglundahlsblog.blogspot.fr/p/ordo-missae-of-paul-vi-per-se-valid.html
Cain can't have sacrificed wheat if Göbekli Tepe is Babel - since wheat that is cultivated is from a mutation occurring near Göbekli Tepe./HGL
- XXIII
- Me to Pope Michael and Father Anthony Cekada
- 1/20/2018 at 1:49 PM
- On Imprimatur question
- http://filolohika.blogspot.fr/2018/01/some-lessons-on-imprimatur.html
- XXIV
- Me to Pope Michael
- 2/20/2018 at 6:09 PM
- saw the video on special vocation
- I hope I am not one you are guessing about.
- XXV
- Pope Michael to me
- 2/21/2018 at 12:17 AM
- Re: saw the video on special vocation
- What is stopping you from giving your life entirely to God and His work? IF you think it means you, then God may be telling you He has a job for you to do.
- XXVI
- Me to Pope Michael
- 2/21/2018 at 9:28 AM
- Re: saw the video on special vocation
- If I think YOU meant me, then God might have been telling me that you are trying to exchange the job God has given me as a writer (which is compatible with layman) to another status.
Now, if instead God really and truly does not want me to marry, why has He not yet ended my life?
I asked Him one day to end my life or give me a wife.
Some people's prayers may have interferred with mine.
I am very sorry I disobeyed God when I lie down weeping on the road to St James and talked to that couple, I later found out she is a Bulgarian shrink, and told them what I felt.
This means, some people may very well have heard of this in advance. I think "John Paul II" prayed for God not to hear my prayer, and as I had given God one year, Wojtyla died within one year. Later in 2005, I came to villages where more bells were ringing death knells than marriages, and where more marriages were sounded by Muslims paying a limousine than by Church bells. This happened within a year of my prayer.
I told you, if you had prayed for me to remain single, that could be the reason why God took away your brother in cancer.
Keep guessing like that, and God may damn me, because His Church refused to give Him honour for making me happy the way I wanted.
- XXVII
- Me to Pope Michael
- 2/21/2018 at 9:40 AM
- Re: question
- "What is stopping you"
Apart from a general will to marry and to get paid for my work as a writer, which I think is a godly work if not a sacred one requiring monastic or clerical status, I am caught between two girls, both "nominally Catholic."
One who has fallen away to Buddhistic or Atheistic non-Theism is the one I have known longer and desired longer. / email withheld from public /
The other, whose problem is "technical schism", is practising in a Novus Ordo parish. / email not published /
As I am not paid for writing, which would be feasible and has been so for years, except some have blocked, I do "extra work" mornings, evenings and sometimes even nights, not to mention weekends to survive. I panhandle with usually my blog urls as "recompensation", a bit like a song was so, back when I still had a voice. I stood in market places and sang, now I sit with a cardboard stating:
NOV9BLOGG9.BLOGSPOT.COM
Something to read in English
Un peu à lire en français
B u t the morning coffee of some parishes (and for morning coffee that is usually Novus Ordo, I used to go to an evening soup at St Nicolas du Chardonnet too (FSSPX parish you must have known about in Winona) spares me some of that extra work, and that is where I met a countrywoman, a fellow Swede.
Both know I am somewhat torn between them.
- XXVIII
- Pope Michael to me
- 2/21/2018 at 4:26 PM
- Re: saw the video on special vocation
- Hans,
You are in no condition to get married. Writing is at best a sideline. If I had to live off what my own books have made in the last seven years, I would starve. Altogether I have made less than $500.
Basically you want a good living delivered to you without much work. Sorry, but this will not happen. If you want to get your books out, prepare the documents in Word format for submission for editing and then submit to publishers. As for Imprimatur, send something that is near ready to be published.
If you want a wife, get a full time job that you can support a family with. Otherwise, you are in no condition to even consider marriage.
I pray you do God's will. And yet, you want your own will.
Enough said
+Michael pp
- XXIX
- Me to Pope Michael
- 2/21/2018 at 7:01 PM
- Re: saw the video on special vocation
- "Writing is at best a sideline. If I had to live off what my own books have made in the last seven years, I would starve. Altogether I have made less than $500."
Nice, but you cannot compare, since your books have at least been published on paper and sold.
Mine haven't, your presumption is, mine would sell as poorly as yours, which is not necessarily the case, they might instead boost yours.
"Basically you want a good living delivered to you without much work."
If you knew how much time I spent writing, you would simply not say that.
THis post is a documentation of harrassment from computer admins here. But it also serves to document how much I work, how much work an article of mine is.
First time signature on first screen shot says 9:56. While last say 14 sth, that is from a PS, after I had already published it, but here we get 11:06 on second to last.
http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.fr/2017/12/bu-de-nanterre-harcelement.html
A normal post of mine can take about an hour. True, screen shots are not much words, but they take time too, and that is about what the article would have taken if same space had been only words too - or perhaps even longer.
This I published today:
http://assortedretorts.blogspot.fr/2018/02/against-abokhansa.html
The finishing touches today may have been about half an hour, and the pre-work of listening to the video of that Muzz was probably one hour first hearing and half an hour final one yesterday, and I even heard some this morning just to be able to comment on his peroratio.
This one has had update after update since I came into a debate with Robert Sparling:
http://assortedretorts.blogspot.fr/2018/01/nor-that-isaac-asimov-is-excellent.html
The debate with him has been partially tormenting, I thought I owed him as one would owe a biology specialist, and only today I found he was actually in psychology.
Psychology students have a heavy Dunning Kruger effect when it comes to biology (his case), linguistics (the case I think of was a paramedic, next three links or four) and some more perhaps too:
http://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/2018/01/dave-robson-and-me-on-darwins-children.html
http://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/2018/01/continuing-with-dave-robson.html
http://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/2018/01/i-posed-question-on-quora-if-god-had.html
http://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/2018/02/anthony-zarrellas-answer.html
AND I am behind on material already debated, but not added in updates or separate post on that debate, which was more harrassing (the parts with him, first and second link) than the one with Robert Sparling.
If you think this is when I am unusually active, I took these four links from the appropriate page:
http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.fr/2018/02/13i-13ii2018-autres-blogs-other-blogs.html
Between Octave of Epiphany and February 13, I published on blogs other than this main one 70 articles.
And except for one, connected to another of those given that link list, I did not even post the ones I made on my main blog up to its 19th index in each of French and English, since mainly given on those ones, here they are:
https://nov9blogg9.blogspot.com/2018/02/index-xix-eng-immaculate-conception.html
https://nov9blogg9.blogspot.com/2018/02/index-xix-fr-immaculee-conception-2017.html
Me wanting anything "without much work"? You are joking. Any father confessor telling me such a thing is a licit reason to stay away from confession, if I can't get a better one. I do NOT need sacrilege with a man who takes the occasion of confession to bully me with lies which can destroy my life since he builds his admonitions around them.
Next detail of your sentence; you speak of a good living, I am in fact content with a living. As per now, I work full time as writer, and overtime to live.
You are treating my production much like the Muslims over here do. There are so many both Trads and Prots who wonder why I don't say more about Muslims, well, why should I if said people give me less bread but equally bad credit for my writing as the Muslims do.
I have compared Mohammed and Joseph Smith as having equally bad claims to have gotten the true religion by revelation, with each other and with Hesiod's Theogony revealed by Nine Muses, and with Numa Pompilius receiving his divinatory arts from the nymph Egeria.
I have also more than once called aboKhansa on above video (see the link within the second link), with his claim St Paul wrote 82 % of the Bible either liar or a nincompoop trusting liars.
So, Muslims have some excuse for treating me as if my work didn't matter, it is perhaps their way of finding an excuse not to kill me. What is YOUR excuse? You heard an SSPX priest in US, who heard Écône, who heard St Nicolas du Chardonnet, where last time I was told I was not well off to marry was more about "instabilities in the faith" as I had just come back from the Orthodox. But there too you have guys who won't touch my blogs with pincers, partly because they are so trusting in Dictionnaire Apologetique de la Foi Catholique which encourages old earth and not taking the Flood as global and is from before the death of St Pius X (1911), partly because they have a similar attitude to Geocentrism, but even more because I recognise you, when you were not elected in an as yet upcoming conclave by Cardinal Burke et al, but even most of all, because well off people in that parish, old timers, people who have been around for 20 years or more, go to a café across the street, which is run by Muslims who think they do right to treat me as a drunkard. So, you are treating me as the Muslims do in this respect.
"If you want to get your books out, prepare the documents in Word format for submission for editing and then submit to publishers."
A publisher should respect that:
- 1) my blogs are the first publication, same as if I had published previously in a paper before publisher collects articles from it
- 2) I am willing to submit either word or pdf (seems more popular here) if publisher first is willing to look at my links and thoroughly respect point 1
- 3) I am not willing to spend an hour making a pdf if I don't know in advance they have looked and I have some kind of at least primary approval.
"As for Imprimatur, send something that is near ready to be published."
Did. You missed it. Or rather, it is already published, but so far printed on a non-commercial scale. Here is the link to the printing sheets once again:
http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.fr/2016/07/published-online.html
"If you want a wife, get a full time job"
Already have that : writing.
"that you can support a family with."
That is where I have been failed by enemies who are basically doing the Muslim's work for them. Including so far ... never mind ...
"I pray you do God's will. And yet, you want your own will."
Sure it is not God's, just because it is my own?
"Enough said"
Nope, I am still waiting for a sensible word from you - if you are sensible.
A Pope's position is supreme judge over the Church Militant, not that of a too grumpy father confessor with too much bourgeois attitudes towards a man who is homeless. If you want to sign with pp after your papal name, earn the respect which comes with papacy, not the loathing which Aramis had for the Jesuits in "20 years later" (which I read before being a Catholic and without knowing it was on the Index).
Hans Georg Lundahl
given from Nanterre University Library on the feast of St Severian of Scythopolis in Palestine.
- XXX
- Me to Pope Michael
- 2/22/2018 at 9:37 AM
- oh, by the way
- In case this sermon displaying on FB was on your prayers, I consider YOU as providing the tares and thistles.
Here is the sermon:
- Sermon
- The devil approaches the God-man with temptations.
Who among men is free of them?
He who goes according to the will of the evil one does not experience attacks, but is simply turned more and more toward evil. As soon as one begins to come to himself and intends to begin a new life according to God’s will, immediately the entire satanic realm enters into action: they hasten to scatter good thoughts and the intentions of the repentant one in any way they can.
If they do not manage to turn him aside, they attempt to hinder his good repentance and confession; if they do not manage to do that, they contrive to sow tares amidst the fruits of repentance and disrupt his labors of cleansing the heart.
If they do not succeed in suggesting evil they attempt to distort the truth; if they are repulsed inwardly they attack outwardly, and so on until the end of one’s life. They do not even let one die in peace; even after death they pursue the soul, until it escapes the aerial space where they hover and congregate.
You ask, “What should we do? It is hopeless and terrifying!”
For a believer there is nothing terrifying here, because near a God-fearing man demons only busy themselves, but they do not have any power over him. A sober man of prayer shoots arrows against them, and they stay far away from him, not daring to approach, and fearing the defeat which they have already experienced.
If they succeed in something, it is due to our blundering. We slacken our attention, or allow ourselves to be distracted by their phantoms, and they immediately come and disturb us more boldly.
If you do not come to your senses in time they will whirl you about; but if a soul does come to its senses they again recoil and spy from afar to see whether it is possible to approach again somehow.
So be sober, watch, and pray—and the enemies will do nothing to you.
+ St. Theophan the Recluse, Thoughts for Each Day of the Year
- My own words
- What I said was NOT a temptation, it is my longstanding resolve.
God may continue to block it out of respect for your prayers, for some time, BUT if you continue to pray for me to "encourage" me to get "back" to a resolve which is NOT mine, you are in fact continuing the unjust persecution of my work. OK, next question?
Sunday, 25 February 2018
Correspondence with Pope Michael
Friday, 9 February 2018
Superposition of Palaeontology Or Lack of Such?
- I
- Me to Glendive Dinosaur and Fossil Museum
- 1/25/2018 at 6:51 PM
- perhaps you know the answer to a question I posed on quora
- https://www.quora.com/unanswered/Do-Morrisson-and-Hell-Creek-Formations-overlap-If-so-how-is-it-known-there-is-Morrisson-under-Hell-Creek-detail-in-comment
Do Morrisson and Hell Creek Formations overlap? If so, how is it known there is Morrisson under Hell Creek (detail in comment)?
Hans-Georg Lundahl
31m ago
I have looked at wikipedia for both formations.
Hell Creek:
Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming
Morrisson:
Alberta, Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Wyoming.
Potential for overlaps all over Hell Creek, then.
Are there any?
Are there places where you dig down ten feet and find a Hell Creek or Cretaceous specific fossil, and then at twenty feet, you find a Morrisson or Jurassic specific one, specifically land vertebrates?
- II
- Robert Canen to me
- 2/5/2018 at 10:05 PM
- Re: perhaps you know the answer to a question I posed on quora
- Good Afternoon! Thanks for your question. In our area we dig in primarily Hell Creek and Fort Union formations. From what I understand the Morrison formation is below us when we dig in the Hell Creek. Unfortunately it is deeper down than what we would hope to unearth in our excavations.
For more information about our museum you can visit, www.creationtruth.org
For information on the Morrison formation from a creation perspective check out, http://www.icr.org/article/dinosaur-national-monument-park-or-jurassic-jumble
Have a great day!
Robert Canen
FACT President
Museum Director
Foundation Advancing Creation Truth (FACT)
Glendive Dinosaur and Fossil Museum
www.creationtruth.org
robert@creationtruth.org
406-377-3228
- III
- Me to Robert Canen
- 2/6/2018 at 5:00 PM
- Re: perhaps you know the answer to a question I posed on quora
- " From what I understand the Morrison formation is below us when we dig in the Hell Creek. Unfortunately it is deeper down than what we would hope to unearth in our excavations."
In other words, you find something in Hell Creek, but you never dig further down and find something in Morrisson, is that it?
- IV
- Robert Canen to me
- 2/7/2018 at 5:09 PM
- Re: perhaps you know the answer to a question I posed on quora
- From my understanding that's the case.
Robert Canen
[Etc.]
- V
- Me to Robert Canen
- 2/7/2018 at 5:43 PM
- Re: perhaps you know the answer to a question I posed on quora
- Thank you very much!/HGL
Tuesday, 19 December 2017
Peut-on demander sur le roman "en moyenne" sans d'abord répondre sur "roman en moyenne de qui ?" - ou ne le peut-on pas ?
- Suggestion de modification
- sur quora. D'une de mes réponses:
[Visiblement est visée la seule et entière phrase "Le roman moyen de qui?" et non pour l'espace qui manquait avant le point d'interrogation.]
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- Il y a 4 heures
- Les mots “le roman moyen de qui ?” étaient pertinents.
Il n’y a pas de “roman moyen” pour tous les auteurs, ou s’il y a, il est invérifiable.
Donc “le roman moyen de qui ?” ou “le roman moyen de quel romancier ?” était une question à poser.
- Sihem Soibinet-Fekih
- Il y a 42 minutes
- Hans,
Merci pour votre message et votre explication. Toutefois, le roman moyen n’etait pas le sens de la question.
Le roman moyen* ne veut d’ailleurs pas dire grand chose en soi. On dit d’un roman qu’ il est moyen, seulement lorsqu’on le considère médiocre en français.
Par contre, on utilisera l’expression “en moyenne” dans le cas présent puisque la question porte sur le nombre de mot par chapitre, donc sur un nombre quantifiable. Comme on ne peut pas quantifier un roman, on ne peut donc pas parler de roman moyen autre que pour exprimer une qualité, en l’occurenxe médiocre.
J'espère que cette analyse vous aura été utile. Je reste à votre disposition pour d’autres questions.
Cordialement,
Sihem
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- Il y a 37 minutes
- Le problème est, ce qui n’est pas quantifiable est, combien de romans ont 1000 et combien ont 2000 mots par chapitre.
D’où “le roman en moyenne de qui ?” si vous allez suggérer cette correction.
Les romans de CSL ou de lui et Tolkien ensemble, ça, oui, c’est quantifiable.
Et quant à l’impossibilité de dire “le roman moyen” en sens quantifiable, c’est possible, comme synecdoque à partir du “roman en moyenne”.
- Sihem Soibinet-Fekih
- Il y a 15 minutes
- On est d’accord qu’il n’y avait pas de nom d’auteur dans la question?
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- Il y a 1 minute
- Parfaitement.
C’est exactement la faute de la question comme formulée.
Combien de mots par chapitre en moyenne est fort bien quantifiable pour les romans d’un-tel ou d’un-tel, ou pour les romans publiés par un-tel ou un-tel, mais ce n’est pas quantifiable du tout pour “les romans” en général.
C’est quantifiable pour “romans publiés en France la dernière décade d’années”, mais ça aussi renvoie à un “les romans de qui ?”
Vous venez de comprendre?
Roman, ce n’est pas une espèce d’animal pour lequel on peut compter le nombre approximatif de cheveux sur le corps. C’est un genre d’oeuvre d’art, et les “recettes” ou “l’ADN” est par conséquent totalement malléable selon les périodes. Ou goûts individuels.
* Personnellement, il ne me semble pas que "le roman moyen" pourrait être pris comme forme défini du jugement critique "c'était un roman moyen". Surtout pas quand après "moyen" j'ajoute une indice sur la sélection pertinente pour une statistique. En occurrence, l'indice que cet indice manquait dans la question comme elle m'avait été posé et que je cherchais une clarification dessus.
Thursday, 23 November 2017
Other Check on Carbon Buildup
- Who is Peter Vajda?
- I saw his name here, on this article on CMI:
The spatial inverse problem in Earth sciences
Published: 20 October 2017 (GMT+10)
https://creation.com/spatial-inverse-problem-in-earth-sciences
Note that 10 hours before Greenwhich mean time ... I actually am not sure how I saw this so early, see letter 1.
Could be a preview of publication or .... ah, here it is, it had alrady become 20.X while it was still 19.X here!
- I
- Me to Peter Vajda
- 10/19/17 at 5:30 PM
- What is the proportionality between cosmic radiation and production of new carbon 14?
- 1 Linear graph? 1:1, 2:2, 3:3, 4:4?
2 Squares? 1:1, 2:4, 3:9, 4:16?
3 Square roots? 1:1, 4:2, 9:3, 16:4?
Bonus : is the above true only for Becquerel coming from cosmos, or also true with regards to the normal cosmic radiation doses on Earth, as in medium 0.39 milliSievert per year?
Yours truly,
Hans Georg Lundahl
- II
- Peter Vajda to me
- 10/20/17 at 7:44 AM
- RE: What is the proportionality between cosmic radiation and production of new carbon 14?
- Radiocarbon is not my specialization. I cannot answer this specific question.
Regards, PV
- III
- Me to Peter Vajda
- 10/20/17 at 7:47 AM
- Re: RE: What is the proportionality between cosmic radiation and production of new carbon 14?
- Do you have a colleague you could refer me to?/HGL
- IV
- Peter Vajda to me
- 10/20/17 at 8:31 AM
- contacts
- Not personally, but you can try to contact researchers from the Department of Nuclear Physics (oddelenie jadrovej fyziky) of the Comenius Uni in Bratislava
https://fmph.uniba.sk/pracoviska/katedra-jadrovej-fyziky-a-biofyziky/
such as Prof.Dr. Masarik or the other six contacts listed under the department.
Regards, PV
- V
- Me to Peter Vajda
- 10/20/17 at 11:46 AM
- Re: contacts
- Thank you very much!
Best wishes!/HGL
PS, enjoyed your "inverse problem" today, I suppose we can't rule out the centre of Earth is where Hell is, after all!
- VI
- Me to Professor Masarik
- 10/20/17 at 11:55 AM
- Good day, Professor Masarik! A problem on Carbon 14 and Cosmic radition?
- If you find it beneath your worth, it seems you have colleagues you can confide it to, but it might even interest you. Here it is:
A) In normal cosmic radition, medium radiation dose on places on Earth (increasing with height) from cosmic radition alone is, I have gathered, 0.39 milliSivert per year.
B) Also in normal cosmic radition, the speed of production of carbon 14 is such that in ten years, the descent of atmosphere's 100 pmc to a theoretic 99.879 pmc is compensated, since carbon level stays roughly the same.
Now, there is obviously a connection between the levels, since carbon 14 is produced mainly by cosmic radiation hitting N14 high in the atmosphere (or so I have gathered).
But the problem is whether the connection is like a straight line graph (1:1, 2:2, 3:3, 4:4) or squared (1:1, 2:4, 3:9, 4:16) or inverse squared (1:1, 4:2, 9:3, 16:4).
Or for that matter any other dimension (cubed or inverse cubed?)?
I spontaneously think the first is likely : if the cosmic radiation dose is doubled, the speed of carbon 14 production is also doubled.
But suppose I am wrong, I'd like to know.
Hope this may interest you and be worth your time,
sincerely,
Hans Georg Lundahl
- Ten days
- up to next letter here, and no answer from Professor Masarik, I'll assume he lost interest or had none in the first place. How I hear of the following, see my answer to him.
- VII
- Me to Ilya Usoskin
- 10/30/17 at 9:14 AM
- Cosmic Radiation and C14 Production, a Q
- I have asked a question which seems more complicated than I thought.
I was given this paper as an answer, and will read it too:
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1206.6974.pdf
But I saw a summary by the man who gave me the reference.
He said that up to 1 Gev, the relation between energy of cosmic radiation to production of C14 is linear, but above 1 Gev, the relation becomes more like:
energy:production = n:sqrt(n)
This makes me wonder, what level of milliSievert per year is 1 Gev, and what carbon 14 production corresponds to it?
I suppose it is an observed level, but is it medium of the normal production, higher or lower?
- VIII
- Ilya Usoskin to me
- 10/30/17 at 9:27 AM
- Re: Cosmic Radiation and C14 Production, a Q
- Dear Has-Georg,
Thank you for your interest!
However, I cannot understand you question.
I don't know who is the man who told you that
"up to 1 Gev, the relation between energy of cosmic radiation to production of C14 is linear, but above 1 Gev, the relation becomes more like: energy:production = n:sqrt(n)"
but it doesn't sound clear for me.
Neither do I understand how radiation dose is related to 14C production in your mail.
Could you please formulate it in a clearer way?
For your information, the most recent 14C production model is available here:
http://cc.oulu.fi/~usoskin/personal/isotopes_JGR.pdf
Best regards,
Ilya
- Of his contact
- I am giving this:
Ilya Usoskin
Professor, Head of Oulu Cosmic Ray Station
Vice-director, ReSoLVE National Center of Excellence
Space Climate Research Group and Sodankyla Geophysical Observatory
FIN-90014 University of Oulu, Finland
Also omitting it in the following.
- IX
- Me to Ilya Usoskin
- 10/30/17 at 11:18 AM
- Re: Cosmic Radiation and C14 Production, a Q
- It's Hans-Georg, no doubt you typed in haste.
Well, I will try to clarify.
Here is a man who gave me the link, he also gave me the resumé:
- Bruno Doussau
- Professeur d'informatique chez Tyumen University
In other words, if he got it wrong, the man is not in your specialty, that is why I am writing you.
He had, as best as he could, tried to answer the question:
La production du nouveau carbone 14 ayant un rapport avec la force de la radiation cosmique, est-il proportionnel directement, au carré ou inversement au carré (détail en commentaire) ?
https://fr.quora.com/La-production-du-nouveau-carbone-14-ayant-un-rapport-avec-la-force-de-la-radiation-cosmique-est-il-proportionnel-directement-au-carr%C3%A9-ou-inversement-au-carr%C3%A9-d%C3%A9tail-en-commentaire
He had also linked to you, so I could read the material myself or check with you.
Obviously, more cosmic radiation equals faster production of C14.
I am less concerned with the energy as measured from cosmos than with how it reflects as radiation doses on earth.
Like, if at a point in time C14 was (not on the calibrations you are using, but on an alternative one) forming 11 times faster than now, and if the normal cosmic radiation on earth is now 0.39 milliSievert per year, would at such an occasion the radiation dose be 11 * 0.39 milliSievert per year, less, or even 121 * 0.39 milliSievert per year?
It makes a certain difference as to how realistic the alternative calibration is, since a radiation dose which kills off all life is not possible to have had in the past.
Thank you for taking your time!
Hans Georg Lundahl
- X
- Ilya Usoskin to me
- 10/30/17 at 11:32 AM
- Re: Cosmic Radiation and C14 Production, a Q
- Dear Hans-Georg (sorry for misspelling your name earlier),
Thanks for the clarification. I think I start understanding your question.
Although indeed, more 14C corresponds to higher radiation dose at Earth, there is no one-to-one relation between 14C production and cosmic radiation dose at the surface.
Exact relation should be calculated using detailed models which do exist but I am not aware of a precise calculation of what you ask.
The problem is that 14C is produced globally, in the entire atmosphere, while radiation is local and at the surface. Their exact relation may depend on many factors, most important being the energy spectrum of cosmic rays (the solar modulation) and the Earth's magnetic field which vary independently of each other. Therefore, the same amount of 14C produced in the atmosphere may correspond to different doses at a given location.
Best regards,
Ilya
- XI
- Me to Ilya Usoskin
- 10/30/17 at 11:51 AM
- Re: Cosmic Radiation and C14 Production, a Q
- So, for a production 11 times faster (over an extended period), what would be the maximum and minimum of radiation dose at a height* where today the one coming from cosmos is 0.39 milliSievert per year?
Or one for typical solar spectrum?
Or, could you link to some of these models?
- Note
- * As I have read, the medium dose from cosmos is 0.39 mSv (? abbreviation?) and it depends on height.
- XII
- Me to Ilya Usoskin
- 10/30/17 at 3:10 PM
- The 0.39 mSv per year relate to normal C14 production how?
- I mean, at medium height, the normal exposure to cosmic rays is 0.39 mSv, at sea level it is 0.27 mSv.
Suppose now the cosmic rays changed so that the speed of carbon 14 production were 2, 3 or even 11 times as fast, would the exposure at normal height / sea level be:
0.39 mSv / 0.27 mSv per year * 2, 3, 11?
0.39 mSv / 0.27 mSv per year * 4, 9, 121?
0.39 mSv / 0.27 mSv per year * 1.414, 1.732, 3.317?
Best wishes,
Hans Georg Lundahl
- XIII
- Me to Ilya Usoskin
- 10/31/17 at 2:47 PM
- Cosmic Radiation and C14 Production, a Modelling Q
- Good day!
Let's suppose all other parameters equal, but following parameters unequal to now, three scenarii:
1) solar activity and galactic radiation 2 times as strong, twice as many incoming particles, Earth magnetic field half as strong;
2) solar activity and galactic radiation 3 times as strong, three times as many incoming particles, Earth magnetic field a third as strong;
3) solar activity and galactic radiation 4 times as strong, 4 times as many incoming particles, Earth magnetic field a quarter of the strength.
In each case, prolong over many years and take it as medium.
In each case, how much faster is C14 produced compared to now, and how much more milliSievert per year would normally be coming from cosmos, as compared to the 0.39 per year at presently known?
I would have thought, spontaneously, the answers would be:
1) 4 times faster, 4*0.39 mSv per year;
2) 9 times faster, 9*0.39 mSv per year;
3) 16 times faster, 16*0.39 mSv per year.
The "11 times faster" being therefore between cases 2 and 3.
If I am wrong, I'd like to know, and you are in a position to tell, as far as I know.
Best wishes,
Hans Georg Lundahl
Mairie du III
Vigil of All Saints
31.X.2017
- XIV
- Ilya Usoskin to me
- 10/31/17 at 3:48 PM
- Re: Cosmic Radiation and C14 Production, a Modelling Q
- Dear Hans-Georg,
I am sorry, I am very busy now and cannot make your exercises.
Moreover, your questions are still imprecise.
> 1) solar activity and galactic radiation 2 times as strong, twice as many incoming particles, Earth magnetic field half as strong;
For example, this sentence does not make sense. "Twice as many incoming particles" in what energy range?
You probably wanted to say that twice as much 14C was produced?
[No, I did not ...]
In order to answer your question, someone needs to run a model with a precise selection of parameters. I don't have time now for that, and I still don't understand your question.
Best regards and sorry for brevity,
Ilya
- XV
- Me to Ilya Usoskin
- 10/31/17 at 6:09 PM
- Re: Cosmic Radiation and C14 Production, a Modelling Q
- "twice as strong" = twice the normal energy range
AND "twice as many particles"
AND "half as strong a magnetic field"
"You probably wanted to say that twice as much 14C was produced?"
No, I already said I guessed 4 times as much C14 would have been produced, but you know better.
Take your time, whenever you get it.
Above explicitates for 1, with 2 each factor is muliplied by three, with 3 each is multiplied by four.
ALL other parameters equal to normal ones at present.
No hurt feelings, best regards,
Hans Georg Lundahl
- XVI
- Me, forwarding to Dr Seiler
- 11/1/17 at 3:44 PM
- Fw: Re: Cosmic Radiation and C14 Production, a Modelling Q
- Mr. Seiler, just in case Ilya Usoskin really has no time at all ... blessed feast of All Saints!
- XVII
- Me to Hugh Owen
- 11/1/2017 10:25 AM
- Subject: This might interest you
- Message Body:
http://creavsevolu.blogspot.fr/2017/10/things-could-get-bit-complicated-with.html
http://notontimsblogroundhere.blogspot.fr/2017/10/sipapuni-origin-myths.html
http://notontimsblogroundhere.blogspot.fr/2017/10/the-gospel-truth-william-p-lazarus-part_31.html
Best wishes for All Saints and the week of All Souls!
--
This e-mail was sent from a contact form on Welcome to the Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation (http://kolbecenter.org)
- XVIII
- Hugh Owen to me
- 11/2/17 at 11:32 AM
- Re: This might interest you
- Thank you and God bless you!
In Domino,
Hugh
- XIX
- Me to Hugh Owen
- 11/2/17 at 1:48 PM
- Re: This might interest you
- You are welcome!
Blessed All Souls!
- XX
- Thomas Seiler to me
- 11/4/17 at 9:05 PM
- Aw: Fw: Re: Cosmic Radiation and C14 Production, a Modelling Q
- Dear Mr. Lundahl,
thanks for your wishes! I have not been involved in your discussion with Mr. Usoskin. Possibly, I missed an email. Otherwise, could you please tell me what precisely is your question?
With best regards!
Thomas Seiler
- XXI
- Me to Thomas Seiler
- (CC Usoskin?)
- Me to Thomas Seiler
- 11/6/17 at 9:30 AM
- Re: Aw: Fw: Cosmic Radiation and C14 Production, a Modelling Q
- Well, I thought the question was clear from the emails already sent below this, but once again:
He has the latest model of how variations in cosmic radiation affect production of C14, Na22 (?), Be7, Be10 and other cosmogenic isotopes.
I thought I had detected a problem in his model (a MONTECARLO simulation programme) for my own model of carbon rise in the atmosphere (a necessity for Young Earth Creationism).
Now, from certain words in our previous exchange (the one I forwarded was the second one), I had gathered it was less straightforward than I thought.
So, I asked him to model first for 2, 3, 4 times as much carbon, then he answered that this was not straightforward as different combinations of parameters could do this.
This provoked a refined (and quantitatively changed) modelling request:
Cosmic radiation (both galactic and solar) : 2, 3, 4 times as many particles coming with 2, 3, 4 times as much energy. Earth magnetic field : 1/2, 1/3, 1/4 present strength.
This I figured would give parameters for Carbon production 4 (or 8), 9 (or 27), 16 (or 64) times as fast as at present in medium. But since it was more complex, as he said, I could be very wrong here.
The other result parameter I would want is, how does this translate in milliSievert per year on a normal height on Earth (at present, with 1*1*1/1 it is 0.27 at sea level and 0.39 at medium height for localities on land/on Earth).
My concern is this : on my model of carbon rise, I would need carbon production to be 11 times as fast as at present during the Babel event (40 years of Babel project correspoinding to 1000 carbon dated years of Göbekli Tepe), as to the rest, my highest C14 production values (for St Jerome's chronology, presuming it has 401 years between Flood and birth of Peleg) are 5-6 times faster at between Joseph in Egypt (supposing he is Imhotep under Pharao Djoser) and fall of Jericho (supposing the Kenyon date of 1550 BC is the one we need for 1470 BC), and a little more than 5 times faster in medium between Flood and Babel.
Here is the latest model involving Usoskin:
http://cc.oulu.fi/~usoskin/personal/isotopes_JGR.pdf
- XXII
- Me to Ilya Usoskin
- CC Thomas Seiler
- Me to Ilya Usoskin
- 11/8/17 at 3:26 PM
- I think I owe you this notification
- I might have got you wrong, but it seems you gave up, hence the words in this link:
http://assortedretorts.blogspot.fr/2017/11/on-question-whether-creationists-are.html
- Bruce Doran
- 13m ago
- If you’ve had a paper espousing creationist views accepted in Nature or Cell recently, I humbly defer.
- Otherwise I think you’d find raw exposure to a group of people equipped with the education I describe to be an enlightening experience.
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- Just now
- Oh, you meant educated so as to be brain washed to accept scientific articles only from Evolutionist publications?
- In that case I don’t pick your version of “educated”.
- It is more like Evolution biassed scientists are shunning too much exposure to me.
- I was asking Ilya Usoskin to test my model (not saying it was mine and not giving exact details, but frame work for diverse quantities on three parameters) on carbon 14 build up, and he had no time.
- He is a physicist at Oulu University in Finland, presumably partly Russian and partly Finnish.
- In that case I don’t pick your version of “educated”.
- End cited,
- back to letter:
- If my guess about part Finnish ancestry was bad in relation to name "Usoskin", I'll be happy to rectify.
Equally, if I got your motivation wrong.
Yes, the scenario with 11 times faster C14 production is my own, it is a YEC one.
http://creavsevolu.blogspot.fr/2017/07/how-fast-was-carbon-14-forming-during.html
The reason I want to check with either you or sn else is, as Richard Carrier says:
" a more general error: Not trying to prove your thesis false, before asserting it’s true. "
If 11 times faster carbon production is = milliSievert per year impossible to survive, then my scenario is proven wrong.
I had got this challenge a few years ago, at Nanterre University campus, after working in the library, but my solution had so far been assuming the incoming cosmic radiation is linear graph proportional to the production of new carbon.
So, I assumed, you are not interested in helping me check, because you figured out I am Young Earth Creationist, and because you have some prejudice against the position.
Even so, others have a stronger one, some have on other issues not even answered a first time. Or even on this one.
Thanks, and feel welcome to ask for a correction in the mention, if you like!
Hans Georg Lundahl
- XXIII
- Ilya Usoskin to me
- 11/8/17 at 4:04 PM
- Re: I think I owe you this notification
- Dear Hans-Georg,
As I said, I am very busy now and unfortunately have no time for your exercises.
Still, the problem was posed unambiguously. A direct comparison between 14C (which is global) and radiation dose (local) does not make sense unless the exact location is specified. There are some other unclear moments, but this is the main one. The dose at equator and polar regions would behave differently in relation 14C global production.
You are free to write whatever you want in your blog, but I don't think I gave you any reason to accuse me in any "prejudice".
I am not interested in your believes and aims, I am a scientist and more interested in facts than in believes.
My nationality is irrelevant in this discussion.
Best regards,
Ilya
- XXIV
- Me to Ilya Usoskin
- CC Thomas Seiler
- Me to Ilya Usoskin
- 11/8/17 at 5:09 PM
- Re: I think I owe you this notification
- "Still, the problem was posed unambiguously. A direct comparison between 14C (which is global) and radiation dose (local) does not make sense unless the exact location is specified."
OK, I ditched the "go from C14 production" in response to what you said and instead I gave certain parameters :
- I cosmic radiation both galactic and solar a) 2*particles and 2*energy per particle, b) 3* etc, c) 4* etc
- II earth's magnetic field a) 1/2 as strong, b) 1/3 as strong, c) 1/4 as strong.
In each case, compared to medium value now.
I asked what would be speed of carbon production (global, as you may guess) and what would be the (global, I thought) effect in radiation dose.
I now correct this to :
I asked what would be speed of carbon production (global, as you may guess) and what would be the effect in radiation dose, both for equator and for pole.
How long could it take to program this into the monte-carlo model?
If you have no time, could you delegate it to a student, please?
"I don't think I gave you any reason to accuse me in any 'prejudice'."
Without prejudice, why:- do you persist in relating to my initial request instead of to my corrections of it?
- do you state you are not interested in my beliefs, when I was asking a question pertaining to (modelled) fact?
"My nationality is irrelevant in this discussion."
Perhaps it might remain so, I wanted to give you a chance to correct, if you thought appropriate.
Hans Georg Lundahl
- 15 days later
- still no answer.
Perhaps Seiler or Usoskin or both are preparing a Christmas present?
Tuesday, 17 October 2017
Me and Damien Mackey on Historicity of Iliad and Odyssey
- Me to Damien Mackey
- "On 13 October 2017 at 01:56"
(Australian timezone) - Iliad and Odyssey = Biblical characters?
- Er ... no.
Iliad and Odyssey = events of Iliad and Odyssey + tradition fairly well preserved but mixing details (anything to do directly with Hittes "reedited" to suit a historiography without them) + Homer formulating this into two poems + tradition after Homer identifying these poems as real events of the real past of these peoples.
In the case of Deucalion, I have to say he is based on Noah (at least as far as world wideness of Flood is concerned) and probably also Abraham and Lot : the real stories of these are not only there, but there is a very good reason for each of these both to be somewhat known to early Greeks, but also to be misconstrued more than usual in history.
In the case of Iliad and Odyssey there is no such reason.
There is however, if they are taken as literal and (mostly) factual history of events (mostly) geographically and temporally set where they are set two good lessons:
* Ulysses, Penelope, Suitors : the situation of Christ, Church and Antichrist up to and in Harmageddon, prophecy granted to Pagan stories;
* Agamemnon having defeated Trojan troops one day wanted to enroll the aid of Sun in totally routing them before they could get back into Troy : he failed, but he could very well have heard about the solar miracle of Joshua.
The now known Greek story about a solar miracle one generation before Agamemnon could be conflated with observations of Sun going back twenty or ten or whatever lines for a King of Judah. And obviously, appropriation for family matters of Agamemnon's family would perhaps be due to Agamemnon being as much of a single ruler of Greece (except Athens and Thebes, basically) as Stalin was of Soviet Union.
Traditionally, both George Syncellus and Peter Comestor place time of Trojan War when Eli was judging Israel.
Hans Georg Lundahl
- Damien Mackey to me
- 10/12/17 at 11:18 PM
- Iliad and Odyssey = Biblical characters?
- Agamemnon could have hear about the miracle of Joshua if Agamemnon had really existed.
- Me to Damien Mackey
- 10/13/17 at 9:11 AM
- Iliad and Odyssey = Biblical characters?
- You are very eager to deny historical existence of characters outside the Bible, and by doing so, you denigrate the general reliability of tradition : which makes reliability of Bible a miracle ONLY to be put down to divine inerrancy.
By doing so, you are excluding historic facts of the Bible from the motiva credibilitatis.
Yes, Agamemnon existed and so did Ulysses.
BECAUSE (to us Christians) so did Joseph and Moses.
Yes, Trojan War occurred, and so did Ulysses' homecoming.
BECAUSE so did Exodus and the Resurrection.
- Damien Mackey to me
- 10/14/17 at 1:13 AM
- Iliad and Odyssey = Biblical characters?
- Yeah, you're probably right, Odysseus (Ulysses) would almost certainly have encountered a giant Cyclops, and a witch, Circe, and Poseidon god of the sea, and would have seen his sailors turned into animals, and so on.
How could I have missed all of this solid history?
D.M.
- Me to Damien Mackey
- 10/16/17 at 10:10 AM
- Iliad and Odyssey = Biblical characters?
- From the story of Theseus and Hippolytus, I gather Poseidon is a demon.
Before studying Greek, I was unaware of the demonic and very obviously so in Greek and Roman myth. Poseidon (but that is more for Hippolytus' story) can be historical because he can be a demon. So is obviously Delphic Apollo : the kind of demon which St Paul is known to have exorcised.
Circe and Cyclops are, certainly, not the most solidly backed parts of the story. Considering they are part of what there is one witness only to, that witness being Ulysses, one could even conjecture Ulysses had lied about them. Note, conjecture. Because unlike Poseidon as "god of the sea", like Poseidon and Apollo as demons, they are within the realms of what a Christian can consider possible. Not indeed Circe turning any man into swine, but she could have pretended to and changed looks and behaviour. That is within capabilities both of the demonic and even the hypnotic - if strong enough.
And Callypso being a goddess was fairly handy as an excuse before Penelope.
Returning to incidents as witnessed by more than one man, and not just Ulysses, and not just set on Mount Olympus or otherwise behind the scenes (as "theological" interpretation), they are not incredible. I am trying to figure out a way in which a witch or make up artist could have helped Ulysses ... probably he would have been in the know, if it was a priestess to Athena, he would perhaps have anonymised that as calling her Athena in person.
I also wonder how you could have missed solid history which is accepted by the Church, or mostly, thoughout history.
I mean, as mentioned, Peter Comestor and George Syncellus are a clear reflection of Church historiography of early second and mid first millennium. They set Trojan War into the time when Eli was judging Israel.
Incidentia.
In diebus Heli fuit tertius rex Latinorum Silvius posthumius filius Aeneae, et Laviniae, a quo deinceps Latini reges Silvii denominati sunt. Hunc Ascanius haeredem reliquit adhuc parvulo filio suo Julio, a quo Juliorum familia et originem traxit et nomen. Hectoris filii Ilium receperunt, expulsis posteris Nestoris.
https://la.wikisource.org/wiki/Historia_Scholastica/I_Kings#Incidentia.
And here I give two of the famous boring carbon levels, but look at what Syncellus puts into the years between them:
XIII 1190 BC
96.376 pmc, + 310 years, 1500 BC
1189 BC
Agamemnon becomes king of Mycenae and of Argives
1172 BC
Syncellus' date for taking of Troy.
1166 BC
Orestes becomes king of Mycenae and of Argives
1161 BC
Aeneas becomes king of Latins
1158 BC
... and three years later Ascanius follows him
1151 BC
Eli is Judge
1128 BC
Samuel is Judge
1112 BC
Syncellus places the election of Saul
1072 BC
King David
1032 BC
King Solomon
XIV 1017 BC
97.486 pmc, + 210 years, 1227 BC
http://creavsevolu.blogspot.fr/2017/03/about-5300-years-ago-there-was-world.html
Exactly, Syncellus puts Agamamnon, taking of Troy, Orestes and Aeneas and Ascanius in the years before Eli becomes judge of Israel.
So, how could you have missed all this solid history?
As I don't know the exact answer, how about you reflect on it a bit yourself?
And if I gave my own blog as reference, it is because the reference to Syncellus is to a whole book which a Catholic priest wrote about Syncellus' chronography, including all the tables, if you wish to consult it, here it is:
https://ia801406.us.archive.org/1/items/chronographia01syncgoog/chronographia01syncgoog.pdf
But I have seriously forgotten which page it was for 1189 BC and so on.
Cheers!
- Damien Mackey to me
- 10/16/17 at 11:51 PM
- Iliad and Odyssey = Biblical characters?
- Like with just about everything, the Greeks pinched their ideas from the Hebrews, Phoenicians, Egyptians, Mesopotamians.
And so their god, Poseidon, is a coastal Phoenician god of the sea, Poseidon meaning "He of Sidon".
- Me to Damien Mackey
- 10/17/17 at 10:33 AM
- Iliad and Odyssey = Biblical characters?
- Little correction.
Mykenean Greek for Poseidon is Potei Daon*. Potei is dative case of a word meaning "lord", "master" or "husband".
So, since Daon is suspiciously like Dagon, I translate Poseidon as "Lord Dagon", possibly even "Baal Dagon", depending in what your expertise in Hebrew considers apt or less apt to equate above definitition of potis with Baal.
Now, for the main argument : yes, Poseidon as usually worshipped by Greeks was pinched from Phoenicians.
This does not mean that the theophany** of Poseidon to "his son" Theseus at Troizen and the later theophany when Theseus required as the wish granted at Troizen the killing of his own son, nor that the killing of Hippolytus by horses after this second theophany are events pinched from Phoenicians.
As to Poseidon in Odyssey, he plays a much less human role, more like personification of the elements of the sea. Meaning, Ulysses who was the generation after Theseus and also worshipped "Lord Dagon" erroneously imagined that "Lord Dagon" was after him.
This does not in any way shape or form imply that the exposure of Ulysses to the elements was also imaginary.
If I for instance imagine my prolonged poverty is kind of due to some Illuminati deal with Rosicrucians imposed on Catholics via their Jewish and Muslim ecumenic contacts, this may, theoretically, be an error on my part, an only imagined intrigue, but this does not mean I don't exist or that I have not been impoverished despite writing for 13 years after second or third interruption of my studies.
I do exist, I am impoverished, whether the Illuminati intrigue exists or not. Ulysses arguably did exist and was on several trips between Troy and Ithaca exposed to waves and even to shipwreck - like later St Paul on Malta.
Your kind of "X resembles Y, but Y is a myth, therefore X is a myth" can be taken one step further, and claim St Paul in Acts was a myth too, plagiarised from Ulysses' lore. And early part of Acts could be considered as part plagiarism of Iliad, part plagiarism of Socrates, if you like that kind of game.
Therefore, I obviously as a Christian do NOT like that kind of game.
Hence my little impatience with your revisionism about historic existence of Agamemnon./HGL
* You tend to pronounce it po-SEY-don, but it is in Classical Greek more like po-sey-DAWN or even po-see-DAWN. The last syllable being a contraction of Daon.
** Note with regards to such theophanies, that St Paul had an apt word about them in II Corinthians 11.
- Update:
- Damien Mackey to me
- 10/18/17 at 1:29 AM
- Iliad and Odyssey = Biblical characters?
- I think Pa Sidon sounds much more like the name of the god, Poseidon, than does Potty Dagon.
- Me to Damien Mackey
- 10/18/17 at 11:11 AM
- Iliad and Odyssey = Biblical characters?
- Sorry, doesn't cut it.
Potei Daon is an attested form from Linear B Greek.
Also, Sidon does not explain the diphthong.
Σιδῶνα - Genesis 10:15 in LXX.
Ποσειδώνας ( καθ. Ποσειδῶν ) - checking wiki for that false god and καθ. = katharévousa.
You clearly have an ei. Unexplained by Σιδῶνα as mentioned. Note, last -α is an accusative ending. In nominative, the Chanaanite tribe and the city is Σιδῶν.
Also, name Poseidon (Doric Poteidan) - the Doric name keeps the t./HGL
PS, you might want to check out this:
[linking here :)
http://correspondentia-ioannis-georgii.blogspot.fr/2017/10/me-and-damien-mackey-on-historicity-of.html
- Damien Mackey to me
- 10/19/17 at 4:37 AM
- Iliad and Odyssey = Biblical characters?
- Now you're dipping into Doric Greek. That's impressive!
You may be right, then, that Pa Sidon is not adequate.
- Me to Damien Mackey
- 10/19/17 at 12:05 PM
- Iliad and Odyssey = Biblical characters?
- Nevertheless, it seems to have sometimes been an accepted etymology, I had a reference from 1777 - by one less good in Doric and unaware of Mycenean Greek.
In French, in his time, the standard form was "Posidon".
- Damien Mackey to me
- 10/19/17 at 11:24 PM
- Iliad and Odyssey = Biblical characters?
- That doesn't make Odysseus real, however, much of "The Odyssey" having been pinched from Tobit-Job.
And, for stunning further Greek (Homeric) appropriations of the Bible (Agamemnon's "Deceiving Dream" from King Ahab's Lying Spirit), see attached.
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- Me to Damien Mackey
- 10/20/17 at 9:04 AM
- Iliad and Odyssey = Biblical characters?
- Attachment will not open in this library.
If you play the "piched from" game, how do you prove Acts was not pinched from a combination of:
- Iliad
- Odyssey
- Aeneid
- and both beginning and end, Socrates
- all served with a little sauce of local Hebrew culture and prophecy?
If you answer : the Church recalls otherwise, then I answer, thye Greeks recall otherwise than you suggest.
I have suggested that Deucalion is a mix of stories we find in the Bible, but Deucalion is proto-history, not history of the period Greek heroic legend.
Also, real story of Flood precludes polytheism, and if Josephus is correct, also the Greek penchant (since poor old Hercules, I suppose) for sodomy. Stories of Abraham and Sarah, Lot and his daughters are even more reprehending against the vice probably committted by Hercules with Iolaus. They also involve the divine actually being on the side of ordinary fertility : Abraham and Sarah don't have to throw stones behind shoulders to get Isaac.
And the stones being "bones of mother earth" refers doubly to Lot's daughters leaving their mother behind as a pile of a type of earth and to Adam being told "of earth thou art, to earth thou shalt return".
The point is, we have a serious Greek difficulty with accepting the full story, and the world wide Flood happened only once.
However, after Adam's sin, a man having a claim to be called polytlas (having borne much [suffering]) is not so unique that Job and Odyssey, Tobit anbd Odyssey could not both be true.
Same goes for a young man in a hopeless situation at home and gaining through a voyage (Telemach and young Tobit). If Telemach stories are all or most copied from Tobit, how come not most stories in Grimm and Afanasiev (or some of the most memorable ones) are also all copied from Tobit?
And Ivan Czarevich went on his horse and rode through 29 kingdoms and 30 countries (sounds, geographically, like Satrapies of Persia). Every single time just because of young Tobit? Never any other person who lived such a life?
I'd like a theological rationale for that one!
Now, Ivan and Hans and a few more are admittedly fairy tales, i e, unlike heroic legend, not attached to known historic timelines (or even semiknown ones). But supposing each Märchen we have is influenced by Tobit (or about half of those in Grimm and Afanasiev) supposes the peasants had often enough heard of Tobit in Church - and maybe they had in Christian countries like Germany or Russia (as it was under the Czars).
But the Greeks were not hearing Tobit read in Church, unless you want to argue they are part of the ten lost tribes. So, with Odyssey, it is clearly less likely.
- Damien Mackey to me
- 10/21/17 at 12:45 AM
- Iliad and Odyssey = Biblical characters?
- See:
"Bible Illuminates History & Philosophy. Part Twenty Four: Fiery Prophet Elijah (iv): Death of King Ahab (continued)"
https://www.academia.edu/34894894/Bible_Illuminates_History_and_Philosophy._Part_Twenty_Four_Fiery_Prophet_Elijah_iv_Death_of_King_Ahab_continued_
and also
"'Homeric' borrowings from life of King Saul"
https://www.academia.edu/34902603/Homeric_borrowings_from_life_of_King_Saul?campaign=upload_email
- Me to Damien Mackey
- 10/21/17 at 12:23 PM
- Iliad and Odyssey = Biblical characters?
- Will have a look.
- After taking
- a look, I made a new reply:
- Me to Damien Mackey
- 10/21/17 at 12:27 PM
- Iliad and Odyssey = Biblical characters?
- The Global Flood happened only once.
Even so, Deucalion can be from a later local one in Thessaly, as many Catholic authors have mentioned, as well as Ogyges from a local one. But what parallels Noah too closely are memories of Noah - not necessarily through Bible tex[t]!
Enticing dreams and lying spirits can certainly have happened to both Agamemnon and Ahab.
This means the parallel is no proof of "two accounts of same event" nor of one indebted to the other.
First check on C14 question, no answer
- Me to Anthony at Voxpopnews
who claims to have a past as physics teacher - 10/16/17 at 10:21 AM
- with 0.39 milliSievert per year, atmosphere gets 1.441 % of present atmospheric C14 ratio renewed in 120 years, right?
- If at a certain time in the past - before reaching present ratio of C14 to C12 - the production of C14 (supposing now same amount of C12) was twice as fast, like producing C14 at 2.882 % of present C14 in 120 years, was the cosmic radiation:
- 0.78 milliSievert per year?
- 1.56 milliSievert per year?
- 0.55 milliSievet per year?
- depends on total background radiation at ground level as well, not just cosmic one for atmospheric higher strata?
The reason I ask is, I have all along my research into the matter* been presuming, 2.882 % of present carbon being produced in 120 years take double doze of cosmic radiation - not square doubled or root doubled, but doubled. And that background radiation at ground, while a health issue for us, is negligible as to what happens where C14 is in the main produced.
I just noted, you have been teaching physics.
What are you saying about this?
Hans Georg Lundahl
* Not this matter I am asking you, but whether a carbon rise from very low at Flood to 100 % present level by 500 BC would involve so much radiation life could not have survived.
- A week later
- no answer
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