Trying to Get Some Clarity from Anthony Stine

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Me to Anthony Stine

2/24/2025 at 2:01 PM

I'm not a seer, I should not be tested like a seer, and if your priest, bishop or pope says otherwise, he's a damned liar

One hour ago was NOT the first time you aired about the seer.

The previous time, I commented. The video was taken down, now the same footage was re-aired, without my comments.

This time my comment got down very quickly but AT LEAST don't try to get this blog post down:

Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Devious Tactics, To Say the Least
https://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/2025/02/devioous-tactics-to-say-least.html

BT est un paroissien de St. Nicolas du Chardonnet, ami du Roi de l'Araucanie

Correspondance de Hans Georg Lundahl : À SSPX News · BT est un paroissien de St. Nicolas du Chardonnet, ami du Roi de l'Araucanie · Avec BT, Franck Abed, "l'abbé Scheffer" · Finale?

Voir aussi Réponses à Henry de Lesquen sur Répliques Assorties

Moi à BT

14 JAN 2020 À 20:00

Correspondance de Hans Georg Lundahl : À SSPX News
https://correspondentia-ioannis-georgii.blogspot.com/2020/01/a-sspx-news.html

BT à moi

14 JAN 2020 À 21:54

[pouce]

Moi à BT

15 JAN 2020 À 11:15

À supposer que le pouce indique un intérêt réel, ça te dit peut-être de lire le post le plus lu sur le blog mois et semaine et deuxième plus lu toutes périodes?

Il n'est pas totalement étranger au thème:

New blog on the kid : .... Dialogue imaginé sur mon discours de carbone 14
http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.com/2017/08/blog-post.html

BT à moi

15 JAN 2020 À 14:32

Bien, je vais le lire, par ailleurs : toujours à Versailles?

Moi à BT

15 JAN 2020 À 16:55

presque jamais, au contraire
j'ai évité les paroisses depuis environ 2013 et j'adhère à pape Michel

BT à moi

15 JAN 2020 À 18:22

Ah qui est donc le "pape Michel" ?

Moi à BT

Un ex-séminariste de la SSPX et élu dans un conclave d'urgence 4 ans après Assise 86. Reçut son sacre de la lignée Duarte Costa en 2011, dimanche Gaudete.

"Pope Michael" - Full Documentary
popemichaeldoc | 3.X.2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b96WxyxPfOY

D'ailleurs, Père Schmidberger fit allusion à lui quand il parla des mauvais fruits du sédévacantisme.

Or, il me semble que la moitié des papes ou prétendants qu'il évoqua ne le sont plus : Lin II se rétira, Pie XIII mourut, Little Pebble n'est pas totalement hors jeu, mais il a servi prison pendant 9 ans, ou qqc, le successeur de Jean Grégoire XVII est une papesse, Grégoria XVIII, ce qui ne marche pas (d'ailleurs, les gens de Saint-Jovite, Quebec, à différence de pape Michel et contrairement à ce que dit la wikipédie ne sont pas conclavistes, mais mysticalistes, croyant dans une révélation privée).

BT à moi

16 JAN 2020 À 11:51

Et que pensez-vous de la position "survivantiste"...de l'abbé Seigneur?

Moi à BT

"survivantisme" = ?

Imaginons qu'il consiste à faire le nécessaire pour survivre, et la résistance nécessaire pour survivre, selon pape Michel ça ne correspond pas à la vertu de l'épikeïa, il faut au contraire, quand on brise une règle normale faire ce qu'il faut pour éloigner la nécessité pour pouvoir rétablir l'ordre normal.

BT à moi

C'est très bien, pouvez-vous expliquer tout cela au [n°/tfn rendu privé, en occurrence c'était celui de BT]

Moi à BT

16 JAN 2020 À 14:53

désolé, je n'ai pas de tfn

s'il veut me rejoindre, hgl@dr.com

(les adresses voila.fr sont perdus, comme ma vieille adresse de boîte)

Moi à BT

17 JAN 2020 À 18:34

N'ai pas vu de courriel.

Je note une similitude entre les choses alors et mtn : la requête d'une vérification supplémentaire que je voulais vraiment ce que j'avais exprimé vouloir.

Je trouve la démarche vexatoire.

Après, je trouvai son mail - celui de BT - dans le spam folder ...

de BT à moi

1/18/2020 at 7:55 AM

No Subject

[vide]

de moi à BT

1/20/2020 at 5:52 PM

Re: Article L131-1 + Article L131-6?

1 - la cession sur les contenus passés et futurs sur ces blogs n'est pas globale, tout ce qu'il me faut pour faire une oeuvre qui ne tombe pas dedans est de le faire en forme d'un manuscrit non blogué (comme pour mon histoire littéraire suédoise, envoyé sur papier à PRÉSENT), ou sur un blog ne tombant pas sous le dispositif (il y a trois qui sont gratuits : deux pro deo, deux pour utilisation de l'oeuvre d'autrui, un donc pour les deux : il y a aussi un nombre pour lesquels je donne un mot aux éventuels éditeurs que d'autres peuvent avoir un droit égal au mien ou supérieur). Ou encore, si un harcèlement d'internet me prive de la possibilité d'ouvrir un autre blog

6 - la cession étant partielle, et sous une forme non prévisible, ma licence générale:

• est écrite
• stipule rémunération volontaire.

Donné ceci, "Les contrats de représentation, d'édition et de production audiovisuelle définis au présent titre doivent être constatés par écrit. Il en est de même des autorisations gratuites d'exécution." (2) - rempli par ma licence générale.

Ou plutôt, il ne s'agit même pas d'une cession, il s'agit d'un contrat de représentation, d'édition et de production audiovisuelle sous forme de licence générale.

https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCode.do;jsessionid=E90122A7C2FE3FA3F504EA26F6763248.tplgfr34s_3?idSectionTA=LEGISCTA000006161639&cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006069414&dateTexte=20200120

hglwrites : Conditions d’utilisations ultérieures …
https://hglwrites.wordpress.com/conditions-dutilisations-ulterieures/

"quiconque veut, peut reproduir les ou des messages de ce blog"

Ça ne confère pas propriété, ça ne cède pas ma propriété, ça confère un certain usufruit, à savoir le droit de réproduction.

Ceci est encore souligné par le fait que j'ai ici énuméré un nombre de blogs, et dit que pour ceux-ci ces conditions s'appliquent avec l'exception des blogs gratuits:

New blog on the kid : An Internet Production / Une production sur internet
http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.com/2017/12/an-internet-production-une-production.html

encore une fois sur FB:

Moi à BT

23 JAN 2020 à 20:41

Est-ce qu'à St. Nicolas on préfère Jean Raspail?

Voici ce que je pense de lui:

Φιλολoγικά/Philologica : J'aime Jean Raspail? Pas sans réserve ...
https://filolohika.blogspot.com/2020/01/jaime-jean-raspail-pas-sans-reserve.html

BT à moi

23 JAN 2020 à 20:41

Stanislas Parvulesco [profile FB du Rey d'Araucania]

Moi à BT

24 JAN 2020 À 12:10

Il me semble que c'est un homme que j'ai vu à Georges Pompidou hier. Sinon, remarquable ressemblance.

Mais, on pourrait le soutenir sans forcément de préférer la position de Raspail vis-à-vis la mienne à propos la nature d'un pouvoir contestataire des pouvoirs en place et quand même licite.

D'ailleurs, il me semble que j'ai entendu que la position en question est disputée et que certains soutiennent un FM ... ou quelque chose un peu comme ça.

Ma question est donc, est-ce que tu préfères, comme écrivain, moi ou Jean Raspail? Parce que, dans le second cas, certains délais à propos de la publication de mes choses sur papier deviennent un peu davantage compréhensibles.

BT à moi

24 JAN 2020 À 21:18

[pouce]

Moi à BT

25 JAN 2020 À 15:52

Serait-ce une indice un peu nonchalant mais quand même analysable comme tel, que publication de mes trucs t'est une besogne assez ... distante?

Même en interposant qqn d'autre qui aurait davantage de temps que toi, davantage d'espace de stockage que moi?

Avec 125 605 couronnes suédoises à payer cette année, et diviser environ par dix pour les €, je trouve que ce n'est pas une chose très réjouissant, mais encore moins que tu évites de dire les choses en pleines lettres ...

Bien entendu, si tu voulais dire (mince espoir, pas non-existant) que le prétendant de l'Araucanie serait intéressé, ça c'est autre chose.

BT à moi

25 JAN 2020 À 19:22

C'est bien possible que le prétendant d'Araucanie soit intéressé...peut-être pour une juste cause!

Moi à BT

25 JAN 2020 À 21:39

Ah, il y en a.

Merci, alors!

Moi à BT

2 FÉV. 2020 à 19:02

Il ne semblait pas trop intéressé de la juste cause du créationnisme.

J'espère qu'il n'y ait pas de tentative de réduire mon intérêt dedans à ma soumission sous pape Michel?

Car j'étais créationniste jeune terre et géocentrique bien avant de le reconnaître, sinon trop longtemps avant de la connaître (d'abord comme adversaire, quand je défendis "Gregorio XVII" de Palmar).

Donc, ce que j'ai à dire sur créationnisme a davantage de chances de reposer sur ma plus profonde stabilité que ce que je dis sur le sujet qui est pape. Juste que la série Wojtyla, Ratzinger et Bergoglio, vu leur acharnement de s'exprimer pour l'évolutionnisme (d'ailleurs commencé après ma conversion), n'ont pas de chances de l'être. Mais si un autre juge différemment là-dessus, ça ne l'interdit pas de reproduire mes écrits sur le créationnisme, mes conditions étant "quiconque veut peut" (donc pas besoin d'être d'accord avec moi sur d'autres sujets que ceux de l'article, même pas sur ce sujet là, si on voudra inclure mon essai dans un recueil de débat de différents angles).

BT à moi

Essayez svp l’adresse : [rendu privée A]

Moi à BT

OK, merci bcp!

Et; bonne fête de Chandeleurs, même si peu d'heures en restent ...

BT à moi

2 FÉV. 2020 à 22:21

[pouce]

Moi à BT

5 FÉV. 2020 à 10:54

Pas de réponse de lui non plus.

Est-ce que par hazard tu confies mes écrits à une "inquisition amateure" qui voudra m'inculper, selon vos associations plutôt que par les définitions doctrinales et dogmatique, que ma position relève de "sola scriptura" ce qui est une hérésie protestante, condamnée par Trente?

Parce que, ce genre de cabales d'inquisition amateures, ça pourrait bien être la coutume parmi les Juifs ("gatekeeping"), et il y a d'affirmation de la part de Chrétiens plus ou moins évangélistes, convertis du Judaïsme, qu'ils se heurtent à gatekeeping, mais ce n'est pas la coutume que j'aurais espérée de la part de St. Nicolas du Chardonnet ou de ses paroissiens.

Si vous trouvez mes écrits dubiteux, prenez un débat, ou si vous vous sentez moins compétents, laissez ce débat à Monsieur l'abbé, mais assurez-vous qu'il le prenne, et qu'il le prenne en forme documentable, c'est à dire en écrit par internet, svp!

BT à moi

5 FÉV. 2020 à 13:48

bon, alors je vous donne une autre adresse : [courriel rendu privé B]

Moi à BT

5 FÉV. 2020 à 16:35

Je ne crois pas qu'il soit le "curé" ... et je trouve le jeu un peu fatiguant.

Je l'ai déjà connu, il y a environ 10 ou 8 ans, j ne me souviens pas des détails, mais il me semble que lui aussi aurait bien pu comprendre qu'une édition papier m'aurait été d'une grande aide, à moins que quelque réseau dans la paroisse vous bloque tous de ça.

Et là, le curé devrait au moins être informé.

BT à moi

[profile FB rendu privé C]

Correspondence with Pope Michael

As I publish

I am on a Sunday enjoying the fruits of someone's good prayers for my comfort (except for a good night's sleep). I am also wondering if Pope Michael could have sth to do with that. I am however reluctant to have my life run on bases that make publishing of my blogs on paper - republishing - and family very hard to get, if he's praying for that too.

Other item, I am publishing before parsing urlfor most links, so, be patient while I update, please!/HGL

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Pope Michael to me

10/10/2017 at 3:11 PM

Frater's sermon

Frater Francis Dominic's Sermon

Sermon for the 18th Sunday after Pentecost

Fasting and praying for our Priest, our Parishes and the Church.

The whole movement of Israel FROM BABYLON TO JERUSALEM was born and carried forward by men who were selflessly concerned for the furtherance of God's work. For this they fasted and prayed. This is how it is going to be in the Church to day. Those who seek the honour of God's Name, the coming of His kingdom and the fulfillment of His will on earth as it is in heaven, will fast and pray and thus accomplish God's purposes.

Daniel was a man who frequently fasted and prayed. Ezra too was a man who knew how to fast and pray when leading a group of Israelites from Babylon to Jerusalem ( I Esdras 8:21).

Nehemiah wept and fasted and prayed when he heard that Jerusalem was broken down and its walls burnt with fire (II Esdras 1:4). He didn't criticise the Israelites in Jerusalem for being lazy or selfish. No. He fasted and prayed for them. He was so burdened that even the king noticed his grief. Finally, Nehemiah gave up his position and his comfort in the palace in order to go and rebuild the walls of Jerusalem.

Have we ever been grieved like Nehemiah, because the work of the Lord is not progressing? Have we ever fasted and prayed like he did, because we saw that things were not going well with the church? Do we ever pray for the Pope and the clergy the way we should?

I wonder if we realise that those who serve God and preach His Word faithfully are targets of Satan's wrath. They are high on Satan's hit-list. Let me recommend that we be careful about criticism we might give about them, for Satan can do that job quite well, without our help! Instead pray for them a little more in the coming days, that they will be preserved from the attacks of the enemy.

As in Israel 2000 years ago, so it is in today's world, many of the Lord's sheep are scattered here and there, without shepherds to care for them. Many are the hirelings in our land who capture there souls. Few are the shepherds who are willing to lay down their lives for the flock. No-one has the right to preach God's Word to God's flock if he has no burden for the sheep, and if he does not pray for them regularly.

Matthew 9:36-38: And seeing the multitudes, he had compassion on them: because they were distressed, and lying like sheep that have no shepherd. Then he saith to his disciples, The harvest indeed is great, but the labourers are few. Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he send forth labourers into his harvest.

Jeremiah 3:15: And I will give you pastors according to my own heart, and they shall feed you with knowledge and doctrine.

Pray that the Lord of the harvest will give us shepherds after His own heart into the harvest at this time.

Our Comments

Dom Gueranger comments: “The Holy Ghost, Who has guaranteed the infallible purity of the doctrine taught officially from the apostolic Chair, has not pledged Himself to protect in a like degree from all failure either the virtue, or the private judgment, or even the administrative acts of the Sovereign Pontiff. In order to promote this marvelous union which the Creator made to reign both upon earth and in heaven, our Lord, when He founded the society of saints upon the authentic and immutable basis of the faith of Peter, willed that to the prayers of all should be confided the charge of completing his work by obtaining for the successor of Peter such preservative graces as do not of themselves spring from the divine constitution of the Church.”

To effectively discharge Our duties as Pope We need the support of your prayers.

Pope Pius IX said on one occasion: “Give me an army to spend its time on the battlefield of prayer and I will conquer all those who oppose me.” The greatest battles won over the powers of darkness have been gained by the praying army of the Church. We can preach and teach, but without the support of fervent prayer We cannot succeed. Remember God softens hearts and opens them to receive His Word. We are merely a transmitter of these truths to the hearts God has opened.

Our prayer must have several qualities.

After the Ascension and before Pentecost we read: “All these were persevering with one mind in prayer with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.” And Jesus told the Apostles: “But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved.” (Matthew 24:13) The first quality our prayer must have is perseverance. It took Saint Monica eighteen years to bring about the conversion of her son, Augustine.

We must have faith that God will fulfill all of His promises and provide us with all that we need. “And the Lord said: If you had faith like to a grain of mustard seed, you might say to this mulberry tree, Be thou rooted up, and be thou transplanted into the sea: and it would obey you.” (Luke 17:6)

We must also be thankful for all of the many graces and benefits God has bestowed on us. God has blessed us to enable us to be a blessing to others. This we do through prayer and good works.

“Saying: Father, if thou wilt, remove this chalice from me: but yet not my will, but thine be done.” (Luke 22:42) We must pray and be in the will of God.

“For the continual prayer of a just man availeth much.” (James 5:16) And finally we must be just. Job (18:9) says: “And the just man shall hold on his way, and he that hath clean hands shall be stronger and stronger.” We must be clean and this is where we may be failing, which is why our prayers are not being answered.

In the matter of conversion we desire for another person what we do not truly desire for our own self. We are content with giving God 99% of our self, but hold back a portion for our self. Let's take a gallon of chocolate chip ice cream and stir in an ounce of mouse droppings. Do you want a bowl? And yet what we would not eat our self is what we are offering Almighty God. We want to keep our pet sins, rather than desiring a complete change of our customs and habits. We are content with half measures rather than a complete conversion. We must give up everything and conform our self completely to His holy will. He will then clean our hearts and our prayer will become effective.

Saint Peter advises us: “Wherefore, brethren, labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election. For doing these things, you shall not sin at any time.” (II Peter 1:10) We need to examine our conscience and make sure we are truly where God wants us and that we are holding absolutely nothing back. This is especially true, if our prayers are not being answered.

And so, let us ask God to purify our hearts and then let us pray,

+Michael pp

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Me to Pope Michael

10/10/2017 at 4:31 PM

Re: Frater's sermon

Your Holiness, II Peter 1:10 will come handy when continuing this tomorrow:

http://creavsevolu.blogspot.fr/2017/10/cmi-strays-into-protestant-hagiography.html

http://greatbishopofgeneva.blogspot.fr/2017/10/what-luther-got-wrong-more-pt-2-of.html

http://greatbishopofgeneva.blogspot.fr/2017/10/was-bible-for-or-against-luthers-work.html

That said, some support for my getting things printed and sold would be appreciated.

My Swedish benefector who sends me 100 € / month got a booklet not yet folded which he could have reproduced before folding and sewing, and, since it was recondite Creation Science (on carbon dating, a kind of limit for how fast and slow the carbon build up between Flood and basically times of Abraham could be). He seemed less interested in ANY reproduction. While I am not against his reprinting my poetry at all, I got a vague impression he could have meant I should make a poetry collection myself.

I am basically a writer more than a printer.

http://enfrancaissurantimodernism.blogspot.fr/2017/06/on-campus.html

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Pope Michael to me

11/3/2017 at 5:18 PM

Help

Dear friends in Christ, We are working on a project to prepare a book, which covers why we held a papal election 27 years ago. We would like your input and questions to help Us cover all important points. As We prepare thing We will post them here http://pope-michael.com/pope-michael/summary-of-the-position/

We have already posted a great deal, as much is already written and merely needs editing and in some cases expansion. We look forward to your input and help.

+Michael pp

This is an act of Catholic Action, encouraged by several Popes, including Pope Saint Pius X. We all have a duty to Almighty God. http://pope-michael.com/pope-michael/summary-of-the-position/duties-of-catholics-to-the-church-and-to-the-members-of-the-church/catholic-action/

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Me to Pope Michael

11/3/2017 at 6:30 PM

Re: Help

Important points:

• if certain cardinals could have been bona fide, were they contacted (thinking specifically of Cardinal Stickler
• how many in the Catholic resistance were contacted.

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Me to Fr Anthony Cekada

On Sep 25, 2017, at 8:36 AM

traditionalmass.org | INFORMATION REQUEST

On Una Cum English monarch: http://filolohika.blogspot.fr/2017/09/una-cum-rege-nostro-n.html

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Fr Anthony Cekada to me

Monday, September 25, 2017 at 2:42 PM

Re: traditionalmass.org | INFORMATION REQUEST

Dear Mr. Lundahl,

Thanks for the link!

Fr. Cekada
St. Gertrude the Great Church
4900 Rialto Rd • West Chester OH 45069

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Me to Pope Michael and Fr Anthony Cekada

11/16/2017 at 3:37 PM

Re: traditionalmass.org | INFORMATION REQUEST

Here is another one, on St Gertrude's day!

http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.fr/2017/11/no-paul-price-no-pastor-kim.html

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Pope Michael to me

12/2/2017 at 3:59 PM

Internet Radio

http://www.viecatholicradio.com/

Dear friends in Christ,

With the beginning of the ecclesiastical year, we are launching our internet radio station.

Many other things are moving forward slowly here. We ask your prayers, especially in Advent, which we should observe as a little Lent. May God bless all of you and We extend Our Apostolic blessing as we enter this holy season.

+Michael pp

p.s. What are you getting for Jesus for His birthday this year?

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Pope Michael to me

12/25/2017 at 2:10 PM

Blessed Christmas

Dear friends in Christ,
We will be praying for all of you this Christmas season, that has just begun. This has been a very busy year for us, which is why We have not written as much. Let us all bring the gift of our heart to Jesus on this, His birthday.

At the beginning of Advent, we launched our internet radio station here. Check it out. https://www.viecatholicradio.com/

May God bless you this Christmas season,

+Michael pp

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Me to Pope Michael

12/26/2017 at 3:48 PM

Re: Blessed Christmas

same to you, Your Holiness!

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Pope Michael to me

12/30/2017 at 4:40 PM

New Year's Resolution

Oremus,

Dear friends,

We do not ordinarily ask for or make resolutions for the beginning of the New Year. This year We are making an exception. Let us make 2018 the Year of Prayer.

The Church runs on prayer. The success of the Pope in accomplishing his task depends not on the abilities and talents God has given Us. No, it depends on the prayers of the members of the Church. Your prayers are essential to the Church.

We would like to quote from one of Our staff: “God is looking for men and women even today in our land, who will stand in the gap for the Church - selfless people, who are not taken up with just their own needs, but who are concerned about God's work. Many believers think that sanctification means just the refinement of their personal conduct and behaviour. But true sanctification makes a person selfless like God is - or in other words, like Jesus. …

“Many are willing to deny themselves and take up the cross if that will bring them some benefit - perhaps some spiritual benefit such as a place in the Bride of Christ finally - but still something for themselves. But if we were to ask ourselves, what we have denied ourselves solely for the benefit of others, we may discover that the answer is, 'Almost nothing'.”

There is never a time to ask: “what is in it for me?” Instead we should say: “Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?” (Acts 9:6) As we pray for the needs of the Church; let us also ask God what He wants us to do to help His holy Church.

And so, let us pray,

Oremus,

+Michael pp

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Me to Pope Michael

12/30/2017 at 6:58 PM

Re: New Year's Resolution

you know, being able to pray has sth to do with material situation

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Pope Michael to me

1/1/2018 at 3:58 PM

As we begin to pray

Dear friends,

We woke up this morning to the following from Francis Dominic:

"And I sought among them for a man that might set up a hedge, and stand in the gap........ and I found none." (Ezekiel 22:30).

God has many tasks he desires to have accomplished in this world, and all of them are not as equal in how hard they are. For some tasks, He may use anyone. But for the harder task, the tasks that take more work and sacrifice, not everyone is prepared to do. For such vital tasks, God has to have a person who has been tested and proved through many trials and testings. And if such a person is not immediately available, then God will wait until such a person IS available. God does not do His work with the best available person, as men do. He will wait to do the work when he has someone perfect for the job.

We should never therefore desire to be merely used by God. We should seek to be valuable to His work. If that sounds strange to the ears listen to What Saint Pauls has to say to Saint Timothy:

"But the sure foundation of God standeth firm, having this seal: the Lord knoweth who are his; and let every one depart from iniquity who nameth the name of the Lord. But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and earth: and some indeed unto honour, but some unto dishonour. If any man therefore shall cleanse himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified and profitable to the Lord, prepared unto every good work." (2 Timothy 2:19-21).

A man may use vessels of different materials in his work. But he will not value the earthen pots and the wooden crates as much as he values the gold and silver vessels. In the same way, although all who are Christians may be equally children of God, every child of God is NOT equally useful to Him in His work. Although there is no partiality with God, yet every vessel is not (in the words of Saint Paul), a sanctified,profitable, useful vessel. God prizes only very few, because they alone seek His will and His glory wholeheartedly.

This is why we must cleanse ourselves constantly from "all filthiness of the flesh and spirit" (in other words, from everything that is unlike Christ within us), if we are to be valuable vessels to God.

"Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of the flesh and of the spirit, perfecting sanctification in the fear of God" (2 Corinthians 7:1)

Once a person becomes a valuable vessel, God will depend on him greatly for His work. If such a man fails God, God's work will be halted temporarily, until God can find another man whom He can use. Or take the vessel of silver or Gold that is unusable and melt it down and purify it in the fires until it is moldable for His use again.

In the history of the world, of Israel and of the Church, we see a number of examples of how God has very often been dependent on just ONE man in a particular situation to accomplish His purposes. But one man with God is always a majority.

And We would like to comment as we begin praying this year. Someone receiving this email is called to make an act of total self-sacrifice, because the person God calls is called to a life of selflessness. The rest of us are called to back you up in every way possible.

Oremus,

+Michael pp

p.s. Frater, We would like more inspirations.

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Me to Pope Michael

1/1/2018 at 5:18 PM

Re: As we begin to pray

parlando di questo, santità! normalmente un papa è vescovo di Roma

normalmente un vescovo di Roma reside a Roma e no a Avignione o a Topeka

supposto che su santità è il vero papa, tosto o tarde Dio va far una possibilità per residere a Roma

su santità è preparato? gia parla italiano, al meno un poco?

(I am sorry, I can only write it, not sure even if it is "a Roma" or "in Roma" for Italian, "a Roma" could be a gallicism).

La risoluzione di apprendere italiano al meno è fatta, santità?

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Pope Michael to me

1/2/2018 at 2:43 PM

Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, end the Great Apostasy

Dear friends in Jesus,

Over seven yeas ago, someone recommend that all of us pray regularly: “Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, end the Great Apostasy.” As we celebrate the feast of the Holy Name of Jesus, let us consider how powerful this Holy Name is. This is what inspired someone so many years ago to write this prayer.

We are asking Jesus to end the Great Apostasy. Let us ask Jesus to begin by ending the spirit of apostasy in our own hearts. Saint Augustine says: “Heresies are only embraced by those who had they persevered in the faith, would be lost by the irregularity of their lives.” If we go back seven decades and look at the lives of the average practicing Catholic, we find that there were faithful to Mass on Sunday, fish on Friday and five bucks in the collection place. After that their lives were quite irregular. They already had the spirit of apostasy in their hearts. This worsened in the 1950's. Catholics had become lax minimal Catholics. Yes, they avoided the worse sins in the main, but they were lax, especially in their entertainment. Much could be said on this, but rather let us look at our own lives.

How worldly are we? Saint Paul tells us: “And be not conformed to this world; but be reformed in the newness of your mind, that you may prove what is the good, and the acceptable, and the perfect will of God.” (Romans 12:2) The word ecclesia, which is where we get the Latin word for Church, means called out ones. We are called out of the world unto sanctification. We are called to live differently than our worldly neighbors.

Jesus, help me to remove the spirit of apostasy from my own thinking and from my own life,

Oremus,

+Michael pp

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Me to Pope Michael

1/2/2018 at 4:26 PM

Re: Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, end the Great Apostasy

" This worsened in the 1950's. Catholics had become lax minimal Catholics. Yes, they avoided the worse sins in the main, but they were lax, especially in their entertainment. "

Let us put it like this.

1920-30's Catholics had to become, if not Puritan, at least vigilant about cinema. There was much smut back then.

Then came the Hays' code, and Catholics thought the establishment had taken over the duty of vigilance, which means a legitimate softening, except for doctrinal matters.

However, at the same time Hollywood is often portraying its version of Christianity as having Catholic externals (Dracula is of course a bit unusually specific in confessional matters, since the consecrated hosts were obtained from Old Catholics with the mention Catholics refused to provide them for that purpose).

This means, one is not exactly either in an atmosphere where Catholics need to watch anti-Catholic slurs in entertainment (very unlike the work of for instance Victor Hugo, where Paris in 1482 - ten years before Columbus - is portrayed as having a very corrupt bishop who is simply not to be identified historically, very unlike the work of Voltaire, in which Candide shudders at Spanish Fanaticism, I am not sure if there was any film version this era of Washington Irving, but if so, I think Hollywood might have softened the AntiCatholic bent of Columbus compared to original novel).

Sherlock Holmes may be an Atheist, but he is not of the Dawkensite type. A Catholic viewer of cinema or television would be spared some of the anti-metaphysical side, and what came through could be considered as a weakness in a person one would pray for (in my fan fic on mainly Susan Pevensie, but also some others, I have Sherlock Holmes dead when the story starts, reconciled to the Church by Father Brown who is also a friend of the Doctor Watson who testifies Susan is not mad).

In other words, I don't think the lack of specific vigilance would be really the equivalent of laxism.

It seems St Pius X was more laxist than some Spanish bishop - that one seems to have forbidden dancing, while the holy Pope allowed one couple to perform a tango and concluded "I don't think it is a mortal sin, but it is less pretty than the Furlana".

It is also possible, the tango as performed before the Pope was downtoned and less evocative than what was going on in Habana (tango being a developed Habanera) or in Argentina (Buenos Aires being the home of tango proper). If so, this may or may not mean tango as danced now, normally has been influenced by what H H Saint Pius X could accept in laymen.

I can't totally exonerate entertainment, but more because it was, in the past century, overwhelmingly taking certain non-Catholic tenets for granted. This is a thing which can be avoided. Songs with dubious content can be replaced by instrumental music, which is what I am usually composing. Entertainment, both as song and as film and as written form story can instead take Catholic values for granted, or even better, defend them against a fictitious opposition which matches the real one (see Father Brown, see Tolkien and CSL)./HGL

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Pope Michael to me

1/4/2018 at 4:00 PM

Two important questions

Dear friends in Christ,

A century ago a Bishop sent out two simple questions to his clergy. We would like to ask all of you, who We are in contact these same questions:

• 1. What is your own practice of prayer?
  
  
• 2. What are you teaching others about prayer?

Obviously this second question will vary, depending on your state of life. For the single, there may not be much to say. For married people, especially those who have children, how are you teaching your spouse and children? And of course, for the clergy, what and how are you teaching your flock about prayer?

We await your answers.

+Michael pp

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Me to Pope Michael

1/4/2018 at 4:22 PM

Re: Two important questions

• 1) I used to pray 5 to 15 decades a day, but worldly worries have brought me away from this (when I have time by being awake very early, I am too tired and angry to pray)
• 2) I recommend the Rosary and the Jesus prayer.

You may be interested also in what I had to say about alpha state (a k a hypnotic state) and prayer:

http://hgl-hypno-journal.blogspot.fr/2017/03/viii-quora-what-do-islamic-99-names-and.html

I wonder some why a question originally posed to clergy is here being posed to laymen, though ...

On the other hand, the second question is a fair one for a writer.

When Protestants of certain brands consider that Rosary / Jesus prayer etc is "praying like gentiles", I definitely reccomend them to take a look at last words of a then and there Gentile, Velleius Paterculus, whose Roman history breaks off in 16th year of Tiberius, about the time when Our Lord spoke His teaching, and where his books ends with a prayer to the Pagan gods.

It does NOT look like meditative types of prayer./HGL

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Pope Michael to me

1/4/2018 at 6:04 PM

Publishing books

Dear Hans,

I recall you making a comment on Facebook about my never publishing your book for you.

There are several reasons I publish books. The first is if I believe that people need this knowledge, especially to advance in their spiritual life. The second is to provide good Catholic books in general. And the third is that I like to have a place to lay my head and to eat a couple of times a day. Proverbs says that all things obey money.

Now I need money to promote the work of the Church, such as running the website and the internet radio station. In fact, I have taken a part time job helping a handicapped person in order to raise more money to move Church work forward.

Let us look at the book you want published. First of all, in its current format, it will take a lot of work to complete. I simply do not have the time to publish this particular book, unless I am being paid. Scripture also says that the laborer is worthy of his hire.

Consider the work that needs to be done. The various parts need to be copied into a Word document and formatted. Then I need to proof read the book as well as study it before issuing an imprimatur. I wonder what the Church charged for the work of studying books for issuing imprimaturs?

After all of this, corrections must be made. The final interior file must be prepared. Also a book cover needs to be made. Ask Frater how long that takes him to do.

Createspace charges $300 for up to 10,000 words and three cents a word after that for editing.

A cover costs $400.

And so you see a minimum of $700 and we have not allowed for the imprimatur work.

Now you could cut costs by getting the book formatted in Microsoft Word, which will cut this time. You could submit for imprimatur. And finally you could learn how to design your own cover.

Self-publishing books takes time and money. I know, I have done many books in the last few years.

And the prospect for making money? For Christ the King Library I am making $1.30 per title. True some have never sold, while others make pretty good money. The good news is that once a title is published, it remains available forever and continues to make money, since this information is timeless.

We republished a book seven years ago: “The Pontifical Decrees Against The Doctrine Of The Earth's Movement”. It has sold nine times, so there may not be much interest in this subject.

If you wish to proceed, get to work and compile the book into a single document and send it over for consideration and an estimate on what it will cost to move forward with this project.

+Michael pp

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Me to Pope Michael

1/4/2018 at 9:07 PM

Re: Publishing books

Answering several points severally:

"The first is if I believe that people need this knowledge, especially to advance in their spiritual life."

In my case, I am not trying to advance someone's spiritual life, as St. Francis of Sales, I am not a bishop.

I am a layman, and like C. S. Lewis and G. K. Chesterton I am an apologist.

"The second is to provide good Catholic books in general."

I am neither trying to provide a bad nor an un-Catholic one.

"And the third is that I like to have a place to lay my head and to eat a couple of times a day."

My precise most pressing reason for not being quite content with having the blogposts just on internet.

"Now I need money to promote the work of the Church, such as running the website and the internet radio station. In fact, I have taken a part time job helping a handicapped person in order to raise more money to move Church work forward."

In so far as I want to get paper published, I am of course considering the person doing the physical job as getting a deserved part of the money - as he is adjudging it. My conditions say voluntary and that means percentage etc. at discretion royalties. I believe 10 % is customary, and it is about what I expect from a professional publisher. (French computers are forcing me to do extra work because capitalising unduly by spellcheck "Professional Publisher" and "Under" and some more. As "Learning" below. Or "Xerox" - but that I leave as correct.)

That would leave between retailers and yourself 90 %, and your part to be divided between the work you are needing to do the edition and keep it going, and the work you want to get done with money you earn.

"Let us look at the book you want published. First of all, in its current format, it will take a lot of work to complete."

Not so sure of that. It could be tome one of several (there is at least as much material on).

"I simply do not have the time to publish this particular book, unless I am being paid."

I think it would pay you.

"Scripture also says that the laborer is worthy of his hire."

My point about wanting to get an income from the writing I am doing anyway.

"Consider the work that needs to be done. The various parts need to be copied into a Word document and formatted. Then I need to proof read the book as well as study it before issuing an imprimatur. I wonder what the Church charged for the work of studying books for issuing imprimaturs?"

The thing I sent you already went through a word document and formatting. It can be easily copied double face A4 copies, folded, sewn and cut in top to make a readable volume.

This would give you comfortable time to study it while turning pages.

IF you are then interested in a better thing, technically, you could of course put same blog posts onto a word document of yours.

And format it as you like. In such a case you could also include blog posts for my foreseen part II.

However, learning the technique of reproducing in this format by Xerox copies may be a great asset if ever you need to go through a persecution where you need to replenish book stocks in smaller scale and discretely.

"Then I need to proof read the book as well as study it before issuing an imprimatur."

Why not study and issue imprimatur first before any labour on proof reading?
"I wonder what the Church charged for the work of studying books for issuing imprimaturs?"

Presumably nothing, for two reasons :

• 1) some authors were Capuchins and Minims who could pay nothing;
• 2) bishops had incomes through tithes (in Swedish Middle Ages the grain tithe was divided into 1/3 for parish priest, remaining 2/3 divuded in 1/3 bishop, 1/3 Church and 1/3 poors - except coastal areas where there was a fish tithe divided otherwise, and minor tithes to parish priest only, like the Cheese tithe).

"After all of this, corrections must be made."

Such as? I foresee having left very little to correct.

Obviously, if I spell British, I don't think you need to respell American. You may speak American in US and pronounce the R and all that, and pronounce "ego non sum" as "I ain't", but that involves no obligation to spell labour (from Old French labour, later labeur, from Latin accusative laborem) as if "labor" came directly from Latin nominative.

As for an order of a certain president of yours, I am reminded of the saying "Caesar non supra grammaticam". Such an order was totalitarian in nature, and I am opposing a similar one about Swedish, also from 1906.

As to corrections in content, that would involve commenting under the original blog posts, since the first publication of all content in that book is on my blogs. If I accepted one, I would obviously in the post be saying "I have changed in obedience to Pope Michael" on such or such point.

"The final interior file must be prepared. Also a book cover needs to be made. Ask Frater how long that takes him to do."

If I went to a traditional publisher, all of this would be at the publisher's charge, and one way of the author contributing is waiting for royalties until all of that is paid. $700? Get that before paying me anything, then!

"and we have not allowed for the imprimatur work."

And you should not, since charging for that would be simony.

"You could submit for imprimatur."

I practically already did that. Some time ago, [and I got] neither imprimatur nor condemnation of content.

"And finally you could learn how to design your own cover."

If you didn't notice, my page i (not 1 which is further in) IS a cover.

I designed it.

"Self-publishing books takes time and money. I know, I have done many books in the last few years."

I have done so too, but it takes one thing more for doing so commercially (on artisan or industrial scale) : stocking space, the one thing a homeless man has not. Hence the scale has been domestic, sending out examples to relatives and friends and for at least one book to you.

"If you wish to proceed, get to work and compile the book into a single document and send it over for consideration and an estimate on what it will cost to move forward with this project."

But I did : printed out on top of that!

"We republished a book seven years ago: '(The Pontifical Decrees Against The Doctrine Of The Earth's Movement'. It has sold nine times, so there may not be much interest in this subject. "

Some of my work might rekindle interest.

You remind me of Thorin Oakenshield, some, Your Holiness!

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Me to Pope Michael and Fr Anthony Cekada

1/9/2018 at 6:25 PM

On Continuationism vs Restorationism and Ecclesio-Imperfectionism, and Protestants being mostly shilly shallying between the latter two

Link:

http://greatbishopofgeneva.blogspot.fr/2018/01/restorationism-is-consistent.html

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Pope Michael to me

1/11/2018 at 4:07 PM

I die daily...

Dear friends,

Frater Francis Dominic has posted several good things on Facebook about dying to self and dying daily. We recommend that you go over and read these things, of ask for a copy.

"I die daily, I protest by your glory, brethren, which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord."

[1 Corinthians 15:31]

How many of us are truly dead to self and totally conformed to the Will of Almighty God?

The spiritual life is actually quite simple: All Thee, Almighty God, and no me. Let us pray that God will kill off our self-sill and replace it with His holy will, as we pray daily: “Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.” May God's will be done in all of us/

Oremus,

+Michael pp

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Me to Pope Michael

1/12/2018 at 10:53 AM

Re: I die daily...

Your Holiness, have you considered that St Paul who said these words was as an Apostle obliged to Apostolic perfection.

The faithful come in three batches, called in a parable 100-fold, 60-fold and 30-fold fruit.

On the single issue of sexuality, one can describe them as virgins, widows, married. That St Thomas does.

In more general terms, one can describe them as religious, devout laymen and laymen trying to keep the commandments.

Before you say "but the best way to keep the commandments is to be devout", note, the best way to be devout is to be religious. But not all faithful are required to be religious. Therefore too not all faithful are required to be devout.

Again, lifelong virginity and widowhood are not the normal means to matrimonial happiness.

The Catholic Church is Catholic, not a club for the most devout.

Some things you say would have been very appropriate from St Francis of Sales to Jeanne de Chantal (not sure if she was cannised or just beatified, but he made her holy, by his direction).

He would not have tried that on her nieces.

After a sermon against immodesty, he caught her nieces showing locks beneath the headgear. They blushed. He gently adjusted the locks into the headgear and, from their blushing, probably, concluded what he told them "I don't think God is too displeased withy you."

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Me to Pope Michael, Fr Anthony Cekada and Luka Popov

1/14/2018 at 3:52 PM

"fruit of the earth and work of human hands" - which is more damning?

See my update on the post on Liturgy of Paul VI probably (from Eucharistic miracle in Buenos Aires) having been valid in certain cases:

http://hglundahlsblog.blogspot.fr/p/ordo-missae-of-paul-vi-per-se-valid.html

Cain can't have sacrificed wheat if Göbekli Tepe is Babel - since wheat that is cultivated is from a mutation occurring near Göbekli Tepe./HGL

XXIII

Me to Pope Michael and Father Anthony Cekada

1/20/2018 at 1:49 PM

On Imprimatur question

http://filolohika.blogspot.fr/2018/01/some-lessons-on-imprimatur.html

XXIV

Me to Pope Michael

2/20/2018 at 6:09 PM

saw the video on special vocation

I hope I am not one you are guessing about.

XXV

Pope Michael to me

2/21/2018 at 12:17 AM

Re: saw the video on special vocation

What is stopping you from giving your life entirely to God and His work? IF you think it means you, then God may be telling you He has a job for you to do.

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Me to Pope Michael

2/21/2018 at 9:28 AM

Re: saw the video on special vocation

If I think YOU meant me, then God might have been telling me that you are trying to exchange the job God has given me as a writer (which is compatible with layman) to another status.

Now, if instead God really and truly does not want me to marry, why has He not yet ended my life?

I asked Him one day to end my life or give me a wife.

Some people's prayers may have interferred with mine.

I am very sorry I disobeyed God when I lie down weeping on the road to St James and talked to that couple, I later found out she is a Bulgarian shrink, and told them what I felt.

This means, some people may very well have heard of this in advance. I think "John Paul II" prayed for God not to hear my prayer, and as I had given God one year, Wojtyla died within one year. Later in 2005, I came to villages where more bells were ringing death knells than marriages, and where more marriages were sounded by Muslims paying a limousine than by Church bells. This happened within a year of my prayer.

I told you, if you had prayed for me to remain single, that could be the reason why God took away your brother in cancer.

Keep guessing like that, and God may damn me, because His Church refused to give Him honour for making me happy the way I wanted.

XXVII

Me to Pope Michael

2/21/2018 at 9:40 AM

Re: question

"What is stopping you"

Apart from a general will to marry and to get paid for my work as a writer, which I think is a godly work if not a sacred one requiring monastic or clerical status, I am caught between two girls, both "nominally Catholic."

One who has fallen away to Buddhistic or Atheistic non-Theism is the one I have known longer and desired longer. / email withheld from public /

The other, whose problem is "technical schism", is practising in a Novus Ordo parish. / email not published /

As I am not paid for writing, which would be feasible and has been so for years, except some have blocked, I do "extra work" mornings, evenings and sometimes even nights, not to mention weekends to survive. I panhandle with usually my blog urls as "recompensation", a bit like a song was so, back when I still had a voice. I stood in market places and sang, now I sit with a cardboard stating:

NOV9BLOGG9.BLOGSPOT.COM
Something to read in English
Un peu à lire en français

B u t the morning coffee of some parishes (and for morning coffee that is usually Novus Ordo, I used to go to an evening soup at St Nicolas du Chardonnet too (FSSPX parish you must have known about in Winona) spares me some of that extra work, and that is where I met a countrywoman, a fellow Swede.

Both know I am somewhat torn between them.

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Pope Michael to me

2/21/2018 at 4:26 PM

Re: saw the video on special vocation

Hans,
You are in no condition to get married. Writing is at best a sideline. If I had to live off what my own books have made in the last seven years, I would starve. Altogether I have made less than $500.

Basically you want a good living delivered to you without much work. Sorry, but this will not happen. If you want to get your books out, prepare the documents in Word format for submission for editing and then submit to publishers. As for Imprimatur, send something that is near ready to be published.

If you want a wife, get a full time job that you can support a family with. Otherwise, you are in no condition to even consider marriage.

I pray you do God's will. And yet, you want your own will.

Enough said

+Michael pp

XXIX

Me to Pope Michael

2/21/2018 at 7:01 PM

Re: saw the video on special vocation

"Writing is at best a sideline. If I had to live off what my own books have made in the last seven years, I would starve. Altogether I have made less than $500."

Nice, but you cannot compare, since your books have at least been published on paper and sold.

Mine haven't, your presumption is, mine would sell as poorly as yours, which is not necessarily the case, they might instead boost yours.

"Basically you want a good living delivered to you without much work."

If you knew how much time I spent writing, you would simply not say that.

THis post is a documentation of harrassment from computer admins here. But it also serves to document how much I work, how much work an article of mine is.

First time signature on first screen shot says 9:56. While last say 14 sth, that is from a PS, after I had already published it, but here we get 11:06 on second to last.

http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.fr/2017/12/bu-de-nanterre-harcelement.html

A normal post of mine can take about an hour. True, screen shots are not much words, but they take time too, and that is about what the article would have taken if same space had been only words too - or perhaps even longer.

This I published today:

http://assortedretorts.blogspot.fr/2018/02/against-abokhansa.html

The finishing touches today may have been about half an hour, and the pre-work of listening to the video of that Muzz was probably one hour first hearing and half an hour final one yesterday, and I even heard some this morning just to be able to comment on his peroratio.

This one has had update after update since I came into a debate with Robert Sparling:

http://assortedretorts.blogspot.fr/2018/01/nor-that-isaac-asimov-is-excellent.html

The debate with him has been partially tormenting, I thought I owed him as one would owe a biology specialist, and only today I found he was actually in psychology.

Psychology students have a heavy Dunning Kruger effect when it comes to biology (his case), linguistics (the case I think of was a paramedic, next three links or four) and some more perhaps too:

http://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/2018/01/dave-robson-and-me-on-darwins-children.html

http://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/2018/01/continuing-with-dave-robson.html

http://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/2018/01/i-posed-question-on-quora-if-god-had.html

http://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/2018/02/anthony-zarrellas-answer.html

AND I am behind on material already debated, but not added in updates or separate post on that debate, which was more harrassing (the parts with him, first and second link) than the one with Robert Sparling.

If you think this is when I am unusually active, I took these four links from the appropriate page:

http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.fr/2018/02/13i-13ii2018-autres-blogs-other-blogs.html

Between Octave of Epiphany and February 13, I published on blogs other than this main one 70 articles.

And except for one, connected to another of those given that link list, I did not even post the ones I made on my main blog up to its 19th index in each of French and English, since mainly given on those ones, here they are:

https://nov9blogg9.blogspot.com/2018/02/index-xix-eng-immaculate-conception.html

https://nov9blogg9.blogspot.com/2018/02/index-xix-fr-immaculee-conception-2017.html

Me wanting anything "without much work"? You are joking. Any father confessor telling me such a thing is a licit reason to stay away from confession, if I can't get a better one. I do NOT need sacrilege with a man who takes the occasion of confession to bully me with lies which can destroy my life since he builds his admonitions around them.

Next detail of your sentence; you speak of a good living, I am in fact content with a living. As per now, I work full time as writer, and overtime to live.

You are treating my production much like the Muslims over here do. There are so many both Trads and Prots who wonder why I don't say more about Muslims, well, why should I if said people give me less bread but equally bad credit for my writing as the Muslims do.

I have compared Mohammed and Joseph Smith as having equally bad claims to have gotten the true religion by revelation, with each other and with Hesiod's Theogony revealed by Nine Muses, and with Numa Pompilius receiving his divinatory arts from the nymph Egeria.

I have also more than once called aboKhansa on above video (see the link within the second link), with his claim St Paul wrote 82 % of the Bible either liar or a nincompoop trusting liars.

So, Muslims have some excuse for treating me as if my work didn't matter, it is perhaps their way of finding an excuse not to kill me. What is YOUR excuse? You heard an SSPX priest in US, who heard Écône, who heard St Nicolas du Chardonnet, where last time I was told I was not well off to marry was more about "instabilities in the faith" as I had just come back from the Orthodox. But there too you have guys who won't touch my blogs with pincers, partly because they are so trusting in Dictionnaire Apologetique de la Foi Catholique which encourages old earth and not taking the Flood as global and is from before the death of St Pius X (1911), partly because they have a similar attitude to Geocentrism, but even more because I recognise you, when you were not elected in an as yet upcoming conclave by Cardinal Burke et al, but even most of all, because well off people in that parish, old timers, people who have been around for 20 years or more, go to a café across the street, which is run by Muslims who think they do right to treat me as a drunkard. So, you are treating me as the Muslims do in this respect.

"If you want to get your books out, prepare the documents in Word format for submission for editing and then submit to publishers."

A publisher should respect that:

• 1) my blogs are the first publication, same as if I had published previously in a paper before publisher collects articles from it
• 2) I am willing to submit either word or pdf (seems more popular here) if publisher first is willing to look at my links and thoroughly respect point 1
• 3) I am not willing to spend an hour making a pdf if I don't know in advance they have looked and I have some kind of at least primary approval.

"As for Imprimatur, send something that is near ready to be published."

Did. You missed it. Or rather, it is already published, but so far printed on a non-commercial scale. Here is the link to the printing sheets once again:

http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.fr/2016/07/published-online.html

"If you want a wife, get a full time job"

Already have that : writing.

"that you can support a family with."

That is where I have been failed by enemies who are basically doing the Muslim's work for them. Including so far ... never mind ...

"I pray you do God's will. And yet, you want your own will."

Sure it is not God's, just because it is my own?

"Enough said"

Nope, I am still waiting for a sensible word from you - if you are sensible.

A Pope's position is supreme judge over the Church Militant, not that of a too grumpy father confessor with too much bourgeois attitudes towards a man who is homeless. If you want to sign with pp after your papal name, earn the respect which comes with papacy, not the loathing which Aramis had for the Jesuits in "20 years later" (which I read before being a Catholic and without knowing it was on the Index).

Hans Georg Lundahl
given from Nanterre University Library on the feast of St Severian of Scythopolis in Palestine.

XXX

Me to Pope Michael

2/22/2018 at 9:37 AM

oh, by the way

In case this sermon displaying on FB was on your prayers, I consider YOU as providing the tares and thistles.

Here is the sermon:

Sermon

The devil approaches the God-man with temptations.
Who among men is free of them?

He who goes according to the will of the evil one does not experience attacks, but is simply turned more and more toward evil. As soon as one begins to come to himself and intends to begin a new life according to God’s will, immediately the entire satanic realm enters into action: they hasten to scatter good thoughts and the intentions of the repentant one in any way they can.

If they do not manage to turn him aside, they attempt to hinder his good repentance and confession; if they do not manage to do that, they contrive to sow tares amidst the fruits of repentance and disrupt his labors of cleansing the heart.

If they do not succeed in suggesting evil they attempt to distort the truth; if they are repulsed inwardly they attack outwardly, and so on until the end of one’s life. They do not even let one die in peace; even after death they pursue the soul, until it escapes the aerial space where they hover and congregate.

You ask, “What should we do? It is hopeless and terrifying!”

For a believer there is nothing terrifying here, because near a God-fearing man demons only busy themselves, but they do not have any power over him. A sober man of prayer shoots arrows against them, and they stay far away from him, not daring to approach, and fearing the defeat which they have already experienced.

If they succeed in something, it is due to our blundering. We slacken our attention, or allow ourselves to be distracted by their phantoms, and they immediately come and disturb us more boldly.

If you do not come to your senses in time they will whirl you about; but if a soul does come to its senses they again recoil and spy from afar to see whether it is possible to approach again somehow.

So be sober, watch, and pray—and the enemies will do nothing to you.

+ St. Theophan the Recluse, Thoughts for Each Day of the Year

My own words

What I said was NOT a temptation, it is my longstanding resolve.

God may continue to block it out of respect for your prayers, for some time, BUT if you continue to pray for me to "encourage" me to get "back" to a resolve which is NOT mine, you are in fact continuing the unjust persecution of my work. OK, next question?

St. Nicolas du Chardonnet et PRÉSENT, en panne d'honnêteté?

Mes courriels numérotés I - VII, mes constats "numérotés" A - C.

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Moi à la paroisse St Nicolas du Chardonnet

6/29/17 at 11:17 AM

M. l'Abbé Puga là?

Devinez quelle paroisse je vise dans les mots à John Horvath II, je présume que votre anglais est au niveau:

http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.fr/2017/06/is-john-horvath-just-about-young.html

A

29.VIII.2017

donc, deux mois après, je suis devant St Nicolas du Chardonnet.

M. l'Abbé Puga me dit bonjour, je réponds, poliment, imaginant avec une certaine naïveté qu'il va me répondre.

Quelques jours plus tard, quand ceci n'est pas fait:

II

Moi à la paroisse St Nicolas du Chardonnet

8/31/17 at 11:34 AM

vous pensez que j'ai tort sur St Thomas d'Aquin, ici?

http://assortedretorts.blogspot.fr/2017/08/on-metaphysics-of-saint-thomas-aquinas.html

III

Moi à la paroisse St Nicolas du Chardonnet

9/2/17 at 4:17 PM

chesterton - et moi?

Ce que je viens de dire sur votre exellent projet - et en marge, sur ma propre situation:

http://filolohika.blogspot.fr/2017/09/chesterton-linstitut-saint-pie-x.html

B

6.IX.2017

mon anniversaire, j'ai encore une chose à dire, voudrais plutôt avoir un autre témoin, et puisque le thème est connexe à la journalistique, genre vérification des faits, je me tourne aussi à un journaliste de PRÉSENT qui m'avait, quelques fois, appelé "ami".

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Moi à Alain Sanders et à la paroisse St Nicolas du Chardonnet

9/6/17 at 2:17 PM

vous seriez d'accord avec moi ou avec "Introibo" sur ce thème?

http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.fr/2017/07/una-cum.html

Non, pas exactement l'article dans le lien, mais une chose abordée dans les commentaires, ici débute un fil de discussion:

Anonymous
July 14, 2017 at 2:54 AM
Just curious as to who it was that initially came up with the idea of sedevacantism?

Introibo Ad Altare Dei
July 14, 2017 at 7:46 AM
The idea is basically as old as the Church Herself. The idea of a pope falling into heresy and losing his authority is taught by all theologians and even by Pope Paul IV in the 16th century.

The period between popes was called "sedevacate" meaning the "seat is vacant." One of the first people to apply the term to our situation was Fr Joaquin Saenz y Arriaga, who wrote the book "The New Montinian (meaning "of Montini"--"Pope " Paul VI) Church"

Fr Arriaga was using the term in the late 1960s!!

---Introibo

Anonymous
July 14, 2017 at 10:22 AM
Introibo - According to the following article the first proponent of Sedevacantism was Francis Schuckardt and later followed by Fr. Arriaga. wikipedia>wiki>sedevacantism
...

Non, le thème dont je parle n'est pas non plus la priorité entre Schuckardt et Arriaga.

...

Introibo Ad Altare Dei
July 14, 2017 at 12:59 PM
Thank you for the information! We all know Wikipedia is not reliable but it could very well be true in this case. Shuckardt was indeed one of the very first sedevacantists. He may very well have preceded Fr Arriaga. We may never know with complete certainty, but those two are at the forefront. ...

...

Comme dit, le thème dont je parle n'est pas la priorité entre Schuckardt et Arriaga, mais un autre, et ici je saute à mon propre commentaire qui l'aborde, à travers la fin de ce commentaire là et un ou deux autres.

Hans Georg Lundahl
September 5, 2017 at 1:28 AM

"We all know Wikipedia is not reliable"

Wikipedia is not totally reliable, nor are any other works of reference.

A work of encyclopaedic reference is not a papal dogmatic bull, nor, usually, a passage from Holy Scriptures, and therefore not totally reliable, but humanly fallible.

Why would wikipedia be worse than the rest?

Introibo Ad Altare Dei
September 5, 2017 at 6:56 PM Because anyone can edit it, unlike hard copies of peer-reviewed literature. ---Introibo

___________

Voici le thème. Me vois-je boycotté comme écrivain par le fait que j'ai davantage de confiance dans la wikipédie en général que certains d'autres gens, dont, bien entendu "Introibo", un homme qui cache son vrai nom derrière un nom de plume emprunté à la liturgie?

J'ai écrit une réponse, pouvez-vous, avant qu'il l'a publie, éventuellement, deviner laquelle?

Et, encore une fois, partagez-vous SON attitude envers la wikipédie?

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Moi à Alain Sanders et à la paroisse St Nicolas du Chardonnet

9/7/17 at 11:30 AM

bon, ma réponse fut publiée

Le bon Introibo me fait davantage de grâce que les éditions Ateliers Fo'l'fer ou Via Romana. La voici:

That cuts two ways.

I can't edit the correct facts in thousands of copies on paper by a click, and make them less reliable.

But I cannot edit the incorrect facts to make them more reliable either.

Wikipedians correcting each other is a form of peer review, if you like, and in my view superior to pre-publication review.

Except during the period in which such was required for theological books, because God was giving the censors behind nihil obstats a special grace.

No such special grace protects the peer reviewer accepting an evolutionist or rejecting a creationist article proposal on Science or Nature.

Obviously, on that ideological scale, wikipedia is no real help, since any wikipedian article tends to reflect the general culture of its linguistic area.

In German, you can get good wiki articles about Austrofascism, in English you can't as much and in French you can't at all. Reflecting the fact that Dollfuss and Schuschnigg are better known in German than in English or let alone French.

But when it comes to a single writer making a blunder, wiki is superior on getting that blunder corrected.

So, wikipedia would normally not be worse than the rest.

Hier, je viens d'entendre une vidéo sur le sujet. Ou deux:

Faut-il croire Wikipédia - Partie1 - Envoyé Spécial
Maxime Duquesnoy
Ajoutée le 1 févr. 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZApXqG_BkI

Faut-il croire Wikipédia - Partie2 - Envoyé Spécial
Maxime Duquesnoy
Ajoutée le 1 févr. 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m44lrBdVjsA

À la fin, il y a la femme qui dit avoir répéré les erreurs semées sur deux articles des semaines après, tandis que deux autres étaient corrigées immédiatement quasiment.

Les deux articles sur lesquels elle avait réussie a faire une erreur pas corrigé pendant deux semaines ou davantage, c'étaient des choses assez peu connues. Pour les matières qui sont bien connues par le public, elle renseigne bien.

Pour les autres, on peut vérifier dans les articles dans les autres langues, vue que chaque article en soi, pas identique quoique homologue entre deux langues, est rédigée séparément.

Donc, comme écrivain, je ne fait pas de faute en méthodologie de recherche en me fiant avec méfiance modérée et occasionelle, à cette encyclopédie.

Par contre, j'ai dû corriger un article moi-même, récemment.

Cet article ci contient une citation d'un état avant ma correction en haut, et finit par l'état après ma correction:

Φιλολoγικά/Philologica : Champollion et le Zodiaque de Denderah
http://filolohika.blogspot.fr/2017/08/champollion-et-le-zodiaque-de-denderah.html

Est-ce que je pourrai pour le futur espérer un peu davantage de publié, ou plutôt républié, dans les éditions en question?

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Moi à Alain Sanders et à la paroisse St Nicolas du Chardonnet

9/8/17 at 12:36 PM

Ou serait-ce un cas de cet "il est gentil, mais il a besoin d'une petite leçon"?

Il y a des gens qui n'ont pas honte de s'informer à travers des lettres confidentielles.

Φιλολoγικά/Philologica : l'article "Lettre confidentielle" - primo-édition sur la wikipédie
http://filolohika.blogspot.fr/2013/06/larticle-lettre-confidentielle-primo.html

Et si l'article avait encore été sur la wikipédie, les fautes éventuelles de grammaire faites dedans auraient été vite corrigées.

Un administrateur l'a supprimé, et ses propres articles (donc non-supprimés) étaient sur des questions d'automobile sportif.

Parmi des gens qui n'ont pas honte de trouver leurs faits et factoïdes et mots d'ordre dans les lettres confidentielles, certains néanmoins ont l'hypocrisie de frogner sur les wikipédies et sur les blogues, ou en d'autres mots sur les wikipédistes et les bloggueurs, en fin de compte, sur la notion d'expertise informelle.

Répliques Assorties : Était-ce une attaque contre "expertise informelle", cette question?
http://repliquesassorties.blogspot.fr/2017/09/etait-ce-une-attaque-contre-expertise.html

Vous ne seriez pas par hazard parmi ces gens là?

Dans ce cas, vous ne pouvez pas être des très grands amis du Pape Pie XI qui décora Chesterton et Belloc. Qui chantaient les louanges des amateurs qui n'étaient pas vendus aux média officielles des académies.

Ou serait-ce à propos les meurs personelles que certains voudraient me donner une leçon?

New blog on the kid : Il semble qu'il y a eu une confusion entre deux sites suédois
http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.fr/2017/09/il-semble-quil-y-eu-une-confusion-entre.html

Oui. J'ai été sur helgon.net. Non, je n'y étais pas sur darkside.se.

Non, les Musulmans qui disent que si j'étais sur helgon.net alors forcement j'étais un pervers, ils ne sont pas fiables. Même pas s'ils sont des harkis, même pas si leur information sur moi vous était parvenue par une lettre confidentielle.

Et la routine très systématique avec laquelle chaque propos de ma part d'avoir une partie de mes articles imprimée commercialement ou une partie de mes compositions jouée commercialement de façon que j'aurais eu un revenu, me paraît digne du soupçon d'être le résultat d'une lettre confidentielle ou quelque chose pareillement honteuse. Au moins en temps de paix.

Et si vous vous considérez comme en France même sur un terrain de guerre, ça aurait été honnête de m'informer si vous aviez l'intention de me faire payer les frais d'une guerre que je n'ai pas commencée ni déclarée ni commise en actes.

Ceci est dit parce que, comme à la fois la paroisse est riche en activités culturelles et le journal et ce journaliste, les occasions de m'améliorer ma situation n'auraient pas manqué avec de la bonne volonté.

Sur mon blog général il y a des voeux à propos le jour sacré. Avant de vous les dire, j'aurais voulu une réponse.

Hans Georg Lundahl

VII

Moi à Alain Sanders et à la paroisse St Nicolas du Chardonnet

9/9/17 at 1:58 PM

Je me pose une question sur un Thierry Bouzard

Normalement, j'aurais des choses en commun avec lui.

Je suis contre l'avortement. Je suis pour la musique - et moi-même compositeur, à mes heures.

J'arrivai à St Nicolas une première courte fois en 2005 (quelques semaines en avril, quittant Paris le 1 mai en recherche vaine de travail dans les fraises de Dordogne), je retourne en 2009, entre Ste Anne et l'Assomption.

Et en 2010, il se passe une chose avec Thierry Bouzard. Il devient officiellement en quelque façon Poutiniste.

D'où cette information?

"Après ces tribulations radiophoniques, Bouzard continue son petit bonhomme de chemin. On le retrouve ainsi en 2010 dans l’association pro-Poutine France-Russie d’André Chanclu, avec lequel il est toujours en contact, puisque Bouzard est présent lors de la petite sauterie organisée pour le nouvel an russe de cette année organisée par Novopole, la nouvelle création de Chanclu, un mouvement confidentiel créé en 2013 qui s’inspire de la pensée du russe Alexandre Douguine, qui propose une « quatrième voie », en opposition au capitalisme, au communisme et au fascisme : tout un programme !"

Fas est et ab hoste doceri:
http://lahorde.samizdat.net/2017/03/03/qui-est-thierry-bouzard-le-monsieur-anti-ivg-de-civitas/

Contrairement, peut-être, à certains, je donne l'occasion d'une réponse quand j'accuse ou soupçonne.

En 2010, je n'étais pas clairement anti-Poutine. Mais c'est possible que Poutine était déjà anti-Lundahl, donc aussi ses potes en France, à partir de Bouzard.

D'où ça?

J'ai été à un village nommé Sysslebäck (ce qui se prononce comme des oiseaux qui se "sucent les becs") pendant un temps quand Poutine était politicien de basse intensité à St Pétersbourg, donc, il avait le temps d'absenter, de faire des contacts, etc.

Et des gens que je reconnais de Clarelfdalen - la vallée ou l'ex-commune se trouve - ont été en échanges sportives à St Pétersbourg.

Eux, ils avaient leur vue sur ma vie, mon charactère. Ils peuvent l'avoir transmis à Poutine - et donc aussi à des Poutinistes.

Le soupçon, est-il un peu cohérent avec des faits sûs par vous, ou non?

Hans Georg Lundahl

C

11.IX.2017

Pas de réponse.

Ni de St. Nicolas, ni d'Alain Sanders. Et il ne s'agit probablement pas de mauvaises adresses de courriel non plus.

Et, Thierry Bouzard, lui non plus il ne m'a pas répondu.

Correspondence avec une traductrice bénévole, Élisabeth Schillaci

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Moi à Élisabeth Schillaci

6/15/16 at 10:30 AM

le s d f écrivain de ce matin (Hans)

Conditions:

hglwrites : Conditions d’utilisations ultérieures …
https://hglwrites.wordpress.com/conditions-dutilisations-ulterieures/

Valable pour ce blog là (qui est déconnecté) mais aussi pour mes autres blogs:

New blog on the kid : Alii bloggi, other blogs, autres blogs
http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.com/p/alii-bloggi-other-blogs-autres-blogs.html

New blog on the kid : Index Indicum
http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.com/p/index-indicum.html

Les traductions ne sont pas encore abordés.

Par contre vous faites envers moi comme si vous aviez utilisé les conditions pour réproduction.*

Hans Georg Lundahl

* Si vous faites un blog gratuit en russe (ce qui n'exclut pas des livres achetables de manière commerciale, biensûr), j'aimerais que vous me donniez le lien et que, pour chaque message en traduction vous donnez un lien vers le message en original.

II

Élisabeth Schillaci à moi

6/15/16 at 10:47 AM

RE: le s d f écrivain de ce matin (Hans)

Rebonjour!
Je lirai tout cela ce soir! Belle journée à vous et merci de partager votre richesse!
Élisabeth

III

Moi à Élisabeth Schillaci

6/15/16 at 2:42 PM

Re: RE: le s d f écrivain de ce matin (Hans)

Merci bcp!

IV

Élisabeth Schillaci à moi

6/15/16 at 10:14 PM

RE: RE: le s d f écrivain de ce matin (Hans)

Envoyé à partir d’Outlook

V

Moi à Élisabeth Schillaci

6/16/16 at 9:46 AM

Re: RE: RE: le s d f écrivain de ce matin (Hans)

Merci!

Je peux le partager?

VI

Élisabeth Schillaci à moi

6/16/16 at 9:59 AM

RE: RE: RE: le s d f écrivain de ce matin (Hans)

Évidemment ! C est vous! Je vous ai mis sur ma page Facebook et envoyer à mes amis! Belle journée Hans dans votre petit monde!

VII

Moi à Élisabeth Schillaci

6/16/16 at 2:29 PM

Re: RE: RE: RE: le s d f écrivain de ce matin (Hans)

Pas si petit que ça!

HGL's F.B. writings : My readers are very predominantly Russia and Ukraine.
http://hglsfbwritings.blogspot.com/2016/05/my-readers-are-very-predominantly.html

Par contre, pas mal de mes lecteurs ne savent pas combien je fais des sacrifices pour écrire, ni ce qu'ils pourraient faire pour m'aider.

Quant à "partager", c'est une nécessité pour profiter.

Un boulanger garde tous les pains pour soi, il gagne rien.

Un musicien joue juste en solitude, sans enregistrer non plus, il gagne rien.

Mon mode de partage est dans la première approximation plus proche de celui des musiciens de rue que des boulangers.

Pourtant, j'aimerais que d'autres fassent autrement pour que ça leur et me rapporte un peu./HGL

VIII

Élisabeth Schillaci à moi

6/16/16 at 3:12 PM

RE: RE: RE: RE: le s d f écrivain de ce matin (Hans)

En effet pas si petit!

Petit dans ce cas précis est avec une connotation émotionnelle.. En outre, ce n est pas une critique mais plutôt une manière de mettre en relief le fait que vous soyez dans le partage de vos écrits avec moi. Ce qui est humain et touchant.

IX

Moi à Élisabeth Schillaci

6/17/16 at 10:12 AM

Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: le s d f écrivain de ce matin (Hans)

Et commercial.

Je partage mes écrits, dans la forme gratuite, avec tout le monde.

Si vous faites imprimer et vendre une traduction russe (vous pouvez biensûr choisir lesquels de mes essais), vous aurez un revenu supplémentaire, et moi, vu que vous avez déjà un travail, j'aurais un espoir de toucher des "droits d'auteur volontaires" car je vous considère honnête. À vous de décider le pourcentage, biensûr. Autrement ça ne serait pas volontaire. Vous avez encore le lien vers mes conditions?

Juste en cas que vous auriez un doute sur comment je fais mes statistiques, voici ma méthode, les derniers trois blogs mis à jour étant les plus accessibles, je les prends comme exemple.

TOP TEN sur chaqu'un de ces blogs:
Germany 36		United States 32		United States 10
France 9		Ukraine 8		France 6
Ukraine 6		Australia 3		Ukraine 4
United States 6		France 3		Russia 3
Canada 2		Japan 3		United Kingdom 2
Japan 2		Latvia 1		India 2
China 1		Poland 1		Japan 1
Portugal 1		Portugal 1		Poland 1
Romania 1		Singapore 1
L'ensemble:
United States		France		Russia		01 2		Singapore
10		06		03				01
32		09				India
06 48		03 18		Poland		02		China
				01				01
Germany		Japan		01 2		Canada
36		01				02
		03		United Kingdom
Ukraine		02 6		02		Romania
04						01
08		Australia		Portugal		Latvia
06 20		03		01		01

Et, encore une fois, mes blogs sont des publications, pas un genre de journal privé, et les partager c'est mon métier, pas un signe d'intimité (par contre, si avec quelqu'un je chercherait de l'intimité, je serais fou de ne pas partager les blogs, comme étant mon métier, dans un cas comme ça: d'un côté une femme devrait savoir ce que son futur mari fait, d'un autre si je ne les partage pas, elle se ferait des imaginations idiots sur le pourquoi je suis resté dans la rue).

Si quelqu'un vous dit que c'est un signe d'intimité d'avoir montré mes blogs, le mec ou la meuf en question mérite un grand gifle de ta part!

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Élisabeth Schillaci à moi

6/17/16 at 11:28 AM

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: le s d f écrivain de ce matin (Hans)

Bonjour,

Je n ai pas compris le sens de votre mail.

Le passage sur l intimité !)

Je ne cherche pas à gagner de l argent, mais je serais ravie de faire quelques traductions que que cela me sera possible. Les journées et les semaines passent extrêmement vite... Si vous pensez que je cherche comprendre votre situation où vous juger et bien vous vous trompez. Je pense vraiment que vous avez un potentiel intellectuel fabuleux et qu' il serait vraiment dommage de passer cela dans l ombre. Si mes traductions peuvent vous aider et que je peux le faire alors je le ferai nous sommes tous sur cette terre pour nous soutenir les uns les autres c est aussi simple que cela.Si On a peut et bien on doit le faire.

XI

Moi à Élisabeth Schillaci

6/17/16 at 7:07 PM

Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: le s d f écrivain de ce matin (Hans)

Ben, le passage veut simplement dire, mes publications ne sont pas quoi que ce soit intimes, normalement.

Ce que vous proposez, c'est en soi bien.

Par contre, si vous voulez me traduire, vaudra mieux que vous gagniez directement vous-même d'abord et me versiez ensuite ce que vous considérez comme juste.

À moins de faire un blog en russe, avec les articles que vous voulez traduire, mais aussi avec mes conditions traduites en russe de manière que les éventuels éditeurs-sur-papier que j'aurai en Russie ou Ukraine comprennent finalement le sens de ma démarche.

Ou les deux, l'un n'excluant pas l'autre.

Dans le cas du blog en russe, n'oubliez pas d'expliquer que je ne parle pas russe et que s'ils veulent me contacter, ils doivent m'écrire en autre langue (anglais, français etc) OU passer par vos services de traduction.

Mes excuses si j'avais fais le remarque de manière maladroite.

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Élisabeth Schillaci à moi

6/17/16 at 7:29 PM

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: le s d f écrivain de ce matin (Hans)

Je n ai pas besoin d argent.

Je traduis, vous les mettez en ligne. Traduire pour moi est un plaisir pas une necessite. Si je peux faire ca pour vous aider c est assez pour moi.

XIII

Moi à Élisabeth Schillaci

6/18/16 at 11:21 AM

Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: le s d f écrivain de ce matin (Hans)

Dans ce cas, j'aimerais d'abord mettre cette correspondence en ligne en français, ensuite vous le traduisez en russe et m'evoyez le résultat que je mets également en ligne.

Je le ferais sur un blog, dont le titre serait "Hans Georg Lundahl en russe" (mais en russe!) et dont la description est "Hans Georg Lundahl, traduit du français, de l'anglais et de l'italien par Élisabeth Schillaci Schillaci en russe".

On y va?

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Élisabeth Schillaci à moi

6/18/16 at 12:43 PM

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: le s d f écrivain de ce matin (Hans)

Oui oui si ca vous rassure! N ayez crainte je ne cherche pas a vous arnaquer ou vous creer ees soucis. !)) Gardez toutes les preuves que vous voulez je ne vous veux aucun mal.. belle journee Hans!

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Moi à Élisabeth Schillaci

6/18/16 at 1:26 PM

Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: le s d f écrivain de ce matin (Hans)

Ce n'est pas une question de ME prendre des assurances, mais de LEUR en donner, les Russes étant ces jours ci assez ... parfois un peu "parano".

Donc, pour leur rassurer./HGL

Deux remarques en plus:

A

Si je dois gagner d'argent, j'ai besoin de partenaires qui veulent gagner argent aussi.

Élisabeth Schillaci aura fait une préparation, mais selon ce qu'on est maintenant en train de faire, ça reste une préparation.

Je n'ai pas peur d'être harnaqué. J'ai peur d'être figé en des préparations après préparations après préparations par des gens qui n'ont pas besoin d'argent, en même temps que ceux qui en ont besoin, les jeunes, soient isolés de mes projets, donc incapables de leur gagner d'argent pour eux-mêmes, donc pas en train d'en gagner pour moi non plus. Même si ça leur rapporterait.

B

Les zones horaires annoncées sont à partir de mon service de courriel qui est américain. Il se peut que les heures annoncés soient celles de quelque part aux États-Unis, tandis que nous nous trouvons à Paris/Nanterre.

W. Sungenis/Palm on Anfossi-Settele and Bruno, part V of V

Proemium : With Sungenis on Settele-Anfossi Affair · W. Sungenis/Palm on Anfossi-Settele and Bruno : part I of V · part II of V · part III of V · part IV of V · part V of V

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Sungenis to me and Palm

15/04/15 à 16h53

Re: Expanding on previous reply, including on Bruno

Hans, all good information, of course. But my issue is only with the 1616 and 1633 decrees and why they were worded the way they were, and what Olivieri did to distort their meaning.

II

Me to Sungenis
(answering his last three letters) and to Palm

15/04/15 à 18h18

Re: Expanding on previous reply, including on Bruno

I agree totally on the following first quote:

[In the following I am giving dialogue too, "first quote" = first time it's Sungenis:]

RS

"If just elliptical orbits were banned, then Kepler could have come up with a heliocentric model without elliptical orbits (like Ptolemy's Equant, which did the same thing as Kepler's elliptical orbits).

Riccioli put elliptical orbits into his Tychonian model and it worked just like Kepler's model, and he remained a devoted geocentrist. The Church allowed that without any comment to Riccioli. So it wasn't elliptical orbits, per se, that was the problem, but heliocentrism, which, as I have consistently maintained, was the ONLY issue on the table, that is, whether the sun went around the earth or the earth went around the sun."

HGL

Not only that, but fact that Olivieri could later pretend - falsely, whether he lied or was just repeating the lie - that Galileo's system had, because not involving elliptical orbits, proven contrary to observations (that was what he pretended, right?)

RS

"The point in fact remains, however, that Kepler's Epitome, which taught heliocentrism with elliptical orbits, was put on the Index, so the question is rather moot."

HGL

In ALL probability, the Epitome was put on the index for Heliocentrism. Apart from elliptical identic to Galileo's, i e making fixed stars a thin frame shell of a sphere with Sun in centre or in this case in one elliptic focus of the two perhaps.

RS

"We also now know that putting the planets in elliptical orbits DOES NOT solve the problem of planetary orbits. They are simply too complicated to be solved by mere ellipses. Saturn is the worst. Putting it in a strict elliptical orbit results in it being off by many degrees every year. Mars is also complicated, because it is tilted 7 degrees off the ecliptic plane. Every planet has a problem, and none of them follow strict elliptical orbits. All in all, elliptical orbits are only approximations, not scientific fact."

HGL

Ah, thanks for telling me!

I had no idea of this, neither had probably Olivieri or even Anfossi.

I had heard one thing like it, Kepler's predictions being (with its matching Newtonian explanation) clearly off when it came to Mercury, which Einstein pretended to mend with relativity. So, Mercury is NOT the only issue?

RS

"Hence, this makes Olivieri's thesis all the more suspect, since he was motivated to legitimize heliocentrism by claiming that elliptical orbits were the final solution."

HGL

Suspect from a scientific point of view, but that should already have been apparent from Anfossi's words then.

RS

"But the only reason Sentence 1 said that one could not say the Sun is the center of the world is that the Church didn't want anyone saying that the Sun was motionless, since that would mean the Earth would have to revolve around it. There was no thought about "other worlds" or about whether the Sun could move with respect to the galaxy nor anything of the sort."

HGL

Not totally wrong, not totally right.

Church certainly did not want anyone to say Sun was motionless.

But if real main reason for that had been mainly making the earth move around it, why was position on moving earth just "at least erroneous" when sun's non-movement in centre of universe or world was "formally heretical"?

Also, if the issue in 1616 and 1633 was only between sun and earth, this is because the question of sun being one star like all the others and stars being centres of worlds like the sun had already been settled in 1600. Getting now on to your response on Bruno process ...

RS

"But my issue is only with the 1616 and 1633 decrees and why they were worded the way they were, and what Olivieri did to distort their meaning."

HGL

Well, my issue is also with the decrees of 1600 being involved.

If Galileo was vehemently suspect of heresy, you said yourself there had to be some kind of definition before that.

One would of course be the Trentine on accepting all of Bible according to Church Fathers wherever they were unianimous. But another, closer both in time and subject matter and having been judged by the 1616 judge too, St Robert Bellarmine (who himself had NOT vehemently suspected Galileo of heresy) is precisely the one of 1600.

And that part of Bruno's cosmology is also more directly concerned than Heliocentrism as such with Distant Starlight Problem, and therefore with Mark 10:6 et al. loc.

So my take on the affair, even before knowing of you, involved Bruno affair being a very relevant background to Galileo affair.

Hans Georg Lundahl

PS, I came late onto Anfossi affair, through a man who unlike Palm did not think 1820 decress had settled question if Heliocentrism could be believed or not.

Juan Casanovas:
Giuseppe Settele and the final annulment of the decree of 1616 against Copernicanism
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1989MmSAI..60..791C/0000791.000.html

My own:

Triviū, Quadriviū, 7 cætera : Father Filippo Anfossi was right against Giuseppe Settele
http://triv7quadriv.blogspot.com/2013/02/father-filippo-anfossi-was-right.html

David Palm, if YOU think Church settled matter in Settele affair, look up Casanovas' essay at least!

III

Sungenis to me and Palm

16/04/15 à 04h04

Re: Expanding on previous reply, including on Bruno

In a message dated 4/15/2015 12:18:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hgl@voila.fr writes:

[Previous dialogue expanded:]

HGL

I agree totally on the following first quote:

RS

"If just elliptical orbits were banned, then Kepler could have come up with a heliocentric model without elliptical orbits (like Ptolemy's Equant, which did the same thing as Kepler's elliptical orbits).

Riccioli put elliptical orbits into his Tychonian model and it worked just like Kepler's model, and he remained a devoted geocentrist. The Church allowed that without any comment to Riccioli. So it wasn't elliptical orbits, per se, that was the problem, but heliocentrism, which, as I have consistently maintained, was the ONLY issue on the table, that is, whether the sun went around the earth or the earth went around the sun."

HGL

Not only that, but fact that Olivieri could later pretend - falsely, whether he lied or was just repeating the lie - that Galileo's system had, because not involving elliptical orbits, proven contrary to observations (that was what he pretended, right?)

RS

"The point in fact remains, however, that Kepler's Epitome, which taught heliocentrism with elliptical orbits, was put on the Index, so the question is rather moot."

HGL

In ALL probability, the Epitome was put on the index for Heliocentrism. Apart from elliptical identic to Galileo's, i e making fixed stars a thin frame shell of a sphere with Sun in centre or in this case in one elliptic focus of the two perhaps.

RS

Yes, I agree, since no one in the Church would be discussing the merit of elliptical orbits until Olivieri tried to make a case with them for Settele. Also important here is that Kepler was not the first to use elliptical orbits. He first took Tycho's 40-years of notes that charted the planets and made them fit the heliocentric system. He then apparently took Schreiber's work and applied it to Tycho's notes. But even more significant is that it seems the Greek heliocentrists in the Pythagorean school had the first elliptical orbits. GWW contains the history (and I still need to send it to you) which shows that the Greeks were the first to offer elliptical orbits. Here is fn145 in GWW:

Not only may Schreiber have pre-dated Kepler in regards to inventing elliptical orbits, it seems that neither Schreiber nor Kepler were the first to introduce the phenomenon. That honor apparently belongs to the Greeks. As Koestler notes: “There exist some fragmentary remains, dating from the first century AD, of a small-sized Greek planetarium – a mechanical model designed to reproduce the motions of sun, moon, and perhaps also of the planets. But its wheels, or at least some of them, are not circular – they are egg-shaped [footnote: Ernst Zinner, Entstehung und Ausbreitung der Copernicanischen Lehre (Erlangen, 1943), p. 48]. Gingerich adds: “The equant got Ptolemy into a lot of trouble as far as many of his successors were concerned. It wasn’t that his model didn’t predict the angular positions satisfactorily. Rather, the equant forced the epicycle to move nonuniformly around the deferent circle, and that was somehow seen as a deviation from the pure principle of uniform circular motion. Ptolemy himself was apologetic about it, but he used it because it generated the motion that was observed in the heavens. Altogether his system was admirably simple considering the apparent complexity and variety of the retrograde loops” (The Book that Nobody Read, p. 53).

This could become an important point, since when the Church condemned the heliocentric system in 1616-1633, it specifically mentioned the "Pythagorean" system.

Here is the decree:

Quoting decree:

And whereas it has also come to the knowledge of the said Congregation that the Pythagorean doctrine – which is false and altogether opposed to Holy Scripture – of the motion of the Earth and the immobility of the Sun, which is also taught by Nicolaus Copernicus in De revolutionibus orbium coelestium, and by Diego de Zúñiga [in his book] on Job, is now being spread abroad and accepted by many – as may be seen from a certain letter of a Carmelite Father, entitled Letter of the Rev. Father Paolo Antonio Foscarini, Carmelite, on the Opinion of the Pythagoreans and of Copernicus concerning the Motion of the Earth, and the Stability of the Sun, and the New Pythagorean System of the World, at Naples, Printed by Lazzaro Scorriggio, 1615; wherein the said Father attempts to show that the aforesaid doctrine of the immobility of the Sun in the center of the world, and of the Earth’s motion, is consonant with truth and is not opposed to Holy Scripture. Therefore, in order that this opinion may not insinuate itself any further to the prejudice of the Catholic truth, the Holy Congregation has decreed that the said Nicolaus Copernicus, De revolutionibus orbium, and Diego de Zúñiga, On Job, be suspended until they be corrected; but that the book of the Carmelite Father, Paolo Antonio Foscarini, be altogether prohibited and condemned, and that all other works likewise, in which the same is taught, be prohibited, as by this present decree, it prohibits, condemns, and suspends them all respectively.[1]

Quoting decree, footnote to Latin:

[1] Original Latin: “….Et quia etiam ad notitiam praefatae Sacrae Congregationis pervenit, falsam illam doctrinam Pithagoricam, divinaeque Scripturae omnino adversantem, de mobilitate terrae et immobilitate solis, quam Nicolaus Copernicus De revolutionibus orbium coelestium, et Didacus Astunica in Job, etiam docent, iam divulgari et a multis recipe; sicuti videre est ex quadam Epistola impressa cuiusdam Patris Carmelitae, cui titulus: « Lettera del R. Padre Maestro Paolo Antonio Foscarini Carmelitano, sopra l’opinione de’Pittagorici e del Copernico della mobilità della terra e stabilità del sole, et il nuovo Pittagorico sistema del mondo. In Napoli, per Lazzaro Scoriggio, 1615 », in qua dictus Pater ostendere conatur, praefatam doctrinam de immobilitate solis in centro mundi et mobilitate terrae consonam esse veritati et non adversary Sacrae Scripturae; ideo, ne ulterius huiusmodi Opinio in perniciem Catholicae veritatis serpat, censuit, dictos Nicolaum Copernicum De revolutionibus orbium, et Didacum Astunica in Job, suspendendos esse, donec corrigantur; librum vero Patris Pauli Antonii Foscarini Carmelitae omnino prohibendum atque damnandum; aliosque omnes libros, partier idem docentes, prohibendos: prout praesenti Decreto omnes respective prohibit, damnat atque suspendit. In quorum fidem praesens Decretum manu et sigillo Illustrissimi et Reverendissimi D. Cardinalis S. Caeciliae, Episcopi Albanensis, signatum et munitum fuit, die 5 Martii 1616.” Part of above translation taken from de Santillana’s The Crime of Galileo, as cited by Fantoli in Galileo: For Copernicanism and For the Church, pp. 223-224.

RS:

Incidentally, if Olivieri was intent on approving systems that had to be scientifically accurate, he should have rejected Kepler's system right off, since Kepler believed the planets were caused to revolve around the sun by magnetism. Newton had long since discredited that notion

RS

"We also now know that putting the planets in elliptical orbits DOES NOT solve the problem of planetary orbits. They are simply too complicated to be solved by mere ellipses. Saturn is the worst. Putting it in a strict elliptical orbit results in it being off by many degrees every year. Mars is also complicated, because it is tilted 7 degrees off the ecliptic plane. Every planet has a problem, and none of them follow strict elliptical orbits. All in all, elliptical orbits are only approximations, not scientific fact."

HGL

Ah, thanks for telling me!

I had no idea of this, neither had probably Olivieri or even Anfossi.

I had heard one thing like it, Kepler's predictions being (with its matching Newtonian explanation) clearly off when it came to Mercury, which Einstein pretended to mend with relativity. So, Mercury is NOT the only issue?

RS

No, Mercury is mild compared to the other planets. Here is physicist Charles Lane Poor and astronomer Fred Hoyle on the issue:

Quote:

The deviations from the “ideal” in the elements of a planet’s orbit are called “perturbations” or “variations” …. In calculating the perturbations, the mathematician is forced to adopt the old device of Hipparchus, the discredited and discarded epicycle. It is true that the name, epicycle, is no longer used, and that one may hunt in vain through astronomical text-books for the slightest hint of the present day use of this device, which in the popular mind is connected with absurd and fantastic theories. The physicist and the mathematician now speak of harmonic motion, of Fourier’s series, of the development of a function into a series of sines and cosines. The name has been changed, but the essentials of the device remain. And the essential, the fundamental point of the device, under whatever name it may be concealed, is the representation of an irregular motion as the combination of a number of simple, uniform circular motions.[1]

Footnote to source:

[1] Charles Lane Poor, Gravitation versus Relativity, p. 132. See also Robert W. Brehme, “A New Look at the Ptolemaic System,” American Journal of Physics, 44:506-514, 1976. Brehme examines in detail the Ptolemaic system of planetary motions in order to demonstrate its direct kinematical connection with a heliocentric system. Ptolemy’s planetary parameters are shown to be in good agreement, upon transformation, with modern values. See also Bina Chatterjee, “Geometrical Interpretation of the Motion of the Sun, Moon and the Five Planets as Found in the Mathematical Syntaxis of Ptolemy and in the Hindu Astronomical Works,” Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Bengal, 15:41-88, 1947.

RS:

Tycho Brahe proposed a dualistic scheme, with the Sun going around the Earth but with all other planets going around the Sun, and in making this proposal he thought he was offering something radically different from Copernicus. And in rejecting Tycho’s scheme, Kepler obviously thought so too. Yet in principle there is no difference.[1] We know now that the difference between a heliocentric and a geocentric theory is one of motions only, and that such a difference has no physical significance,” [the Ptolemaic and Copernican views], “when improved by adding terms involving the square and higher powers of the eccentricities of the planetary orbits, are physically equivalent to one another.”[2]

Footnotes to sources:

[1] Fred Hoyle, Nicolaus Copernicus: An Essay on His Life and Work, p. 3. Hoyle continues: “So what was the issue? The issue was to obtain even one substantially correct empirical description of the planetary motions. The issue was to find out how the planets moved….With knowledgeable hindsight, the situation may not seem unduly complicated, but looked at without foreknowledge the problem of how is anything but simple” (emphasis his). In the same book, Hoyle adds a time-lapsed photograph of the motions of the planets as seen from Earth. The photo shows looping motions, zig-zagging motions, abrupt reversal motions, in short, a dizzying array of complexity.

[2] The first quote taken from Fred Hoyle’s Astronomy and Cosmology, 1975, p. 416; the second, from Hoyle’s Nicolaus Copernicus: An Essay on His Life and Work, p. 88.

RS:

Here are two more, even better:

Quotes:

The planetary orbits are not strictly ellipses, as we have so far taken them to be, because one planet disturbs the order of another through the gravitational force that it exerts….In all cases the orbits are nearly circles….It is curious that although the actual orbits do not differ in shape much from circles the errors of a circular model can nevertheless be quite large. Indeed, errors as large as this were quite unacceptable to Greek astronomers of the stature of Hipparchus and Ptolemy. It was this, rather than prejudice, which caused them to reject the simple heliocentric theory of Aristarchus….The Hipparchus theory grapples with the facts whereas the circular picture of Aristarchus fails to do so….The theory of Ptolemy, a few minor imperfections apart, worked correctly to the first order in explaining the planetary eccentricities. Copernicus with his heliocentric theory had to do at least as well as this, which meant that he had to produce something much better than the simple heliocentric picture of Aristarchus…. Kepler achieved improvements, but not complete success, and always at the expense of increasing complexity. Kepler and his successors might well have gone on in this style for generations without arriving at a satisfactory final solution, for a reason we now understand clearly. There is no simple mathematical expression for the way in which the direction of a planet – its heliocentric longitude – changes with time. Even today we must express the longitude as an infinite series of terms when we use time as the free variable. What Ptolemy, Copernicus, and Kepler, in his early long calculations, were trying to do was to discover by trial and error the terms of this series. Since the terms become more complicated as one goes to higher orders in the eccentricity, the task became successively harder and harder…[1]

Professor of celestial mechanics at Columbia University, Charles Lane Poor, says much the same:

From the time of Newton, it has been known that Kepler’s laws are mere approximations, computer’s fictions, handy mathematical devices for finding the approximate place of a planet in the heavens. They apply with greater accuracy to some planets than to others. Jupiter and Saturn show the greatest deviations from strictly elliptical motion. The latter body is often nearly a degree away from the place it would have been had its motion about the sun been strictly in accord with Kepler’s laws. This is such a large discrepancy that it can be detected by the unaided eye. The moon is approximately half a degree in diameter, so that the discrepancy in the motion of Saturn is about twice the apparent diameter of the moon. In a single year, during the course of one revolution about the sun, the Earth may depart from the theoretical ellipse by an amount sufficient to appreciably change the apparent place of the sun in the heavens.[2]

Footnotes to sources:

[1] Fred Hoyle, Nicolaus Copernicus: An Essay on his Life and Work, pp. 73, 8, 9, 53, 11-12, 13-14, in the order of ellipses.

[2] Charles Lane Poor, Gravitation versus Relativity, p. 129. Owen Gingerich adds: “Naturally astronomy textbooks don’t show it this way, because they can’t make the point about ellipses unless they enormously exaggerate the eccentricity of the ellipse. So for centuries, beginning with Kepler himself, a false impression has been created about the elliptical shape of planetary orbits. The eccentricity of planetary orbits (that is, their off-centeredness) is quite noticeable – even Ptolemy had to cope with that – but the ellipticity (the degree the figure bows in at the sides) is very subtle indeed. Observations of Mars must be accurate to a few minutes of arc for this tiny ellipticity to reveal itself” (The Book that Nobody Read, p. 166).

RS:

By the way, when they use Einstein's General Relativity to calculate the excess perihelion precession of all the other planets, it is off by whopping amounts. It doesn't even come close. That's a little fact that you don't see advertised in books on Einstein. The history also shows that Einstein arrived at the needed precession for Mercury by starting with the right figure and then back-fitting GRT into the solution.

RS

"Hence, this makes Olivieri's thesis all the more suspect, since he was motivated to legitimize heliocentrism by claiming that elliptical orbits were the final solution."

HGL

Suspect from a scientific point of view, but that should already have been apparent from Anfossi's words then.

RS

Perhaps, if they had willing ears, but Olivieri ruled the roost. Plus, Anfossi could not compete with Olivieri's "science knowledge" (at least what Olivieri thought was science knowledge, much like Galileo thought he knew the science)

RS

"But the only reason Sentence 1 said that one could not say the Sun is the center of the world is that the Church didn't want anyone saying that the Sun was motionless, since that would mean the Earth would have to revolve around it. There was no thought about "other worlds" or about whether the Sun could move with respect to the galaxy nor anything of the sort."

HGL

Not totally wrong, not totally right.

Church certainly did not want anyone to say Sun was motionless.

But if real main reason for that had been mainly making the earth move around it, why was position on moving earth just "at least erroneous" when sun's non-movement in centre of universe or world was "formally heretical"?

RS

The simple reason (and I get this from McMullin, Fantoli and Finocchiaro) was that it may have been possible to interpret some Scripture passages that referred to the "Earth cannot be moved" as meaning that it could not be shaken, as opposed to not revolving around the Sun. So, some leeway was given there. But the Church then reasoned that, since Scripture is very clear that of the two bodies it is the Sun that is revolving around the Earth, then simple logic requires that the Earth cannot be revolving around the sun. To say otherwise would be logically "erroneous," even if one wanted to argue that Psalm 93:1 only referred to a shaken Earth instead of a moving Earth. I cover this issue in my book in even greater detail.

HGL

Also, if the issue in 1616 and 1633 was only between sun and earth, this is because the question of sun being one star like all the others and stars being centres of worlds like the sun had already been settled in 1600.

RS:

Perhaps, but the 1616 and 1633 prior discussions and final decrees made no reference to that issue. If you can find some direct connection there, it would be very valuable for the discussion.

Getting now on to your response on Bruno process ...

RS

"But my issue is only with the 1616 and 1633 decrees and why they were worded the way they were, and what Olivieri did to distort their meaning."

HGL

Well, my issue is also with the decrees of 1600 being involved.

If Galileo was vehemently suspect of heresy, you said yourself there had to be some kind of definition before that.

One would of course be the Trentine on accepting all of Bible according to Church Fathers wherever they were unianimous. But another, closer both in time and subject matter and having been judged by the 1616 judge too, St Robert Bellarmine (who himself had NOT vehemently suspected Galileo of heresy) is precisely the one of 1600.

RS:

I don't think so. First, neither the 1616 or 1633 discussions or decrees brought up the Bruno issue. Second, I don't know of any specific decree that was given against heliocentrism in 1600, which is why the fact that Bruno was condemned for far graver issues (e.g., deny the real presence in the Eucharist) is the main issue in his case. I think most Galileo historians agree that the "defined and declared" doctrine against heliocentrism that was already established referred to the 1616 decrees, and they were very specific, and thus Urban VIII could use them against Galileo.

HGL

And that part of Bruno's cosmology is also more directly concerned than Heliocentrism as such with Distant Starlight Problem, and therefore with Mark 10:6 et al. loc.

So my take on the affair, even before knowing of you, involved Bruno affair being a very relevant background to Galileo affair.

Hans Georg Lundahl

RS: Well, you should study the connection between Bruno and the Galileo case too see if you can come up with anything concrete. It's an open area waiting for someone like you.

PS, I came late onto Anfossi affair, through a man who unlike Palm did not think 1820 decress had settled question if Heliocentrism could be believed or not.

Juan Casanovas:

http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1989MmSAI..60..791C/0000791.000.html

My own:

http://triv7quadriv.blogspot.com/2013/02/father-filippo-anfossi-was-right.html

[Both clickable above]

David Palm, if YOU think Church settled matter in Settele affair, look up Casanovas' essay at least!

RS:

Indeed. Of course, imprimaturs could never settle Settele :)

Thanks for your paper. I'd like to put this on the Galileo Was Wrong site, with your permission. Also, thanks for Casanovas' paper. Not often you see treatments of the Settele case like that.

IV

Me to Sungenis and Palm

16/04/15 à 10h08

Re: Expanding on previous reply, including on Bruno

Et quia etiam ad notitiam praefatae Sacrae Congregationis pervenit, falsam illam doctrinam Pithagoricam

This very probably only means that the known proposer of the false doctrine in Antiquity was a Pythagorean.

Not that everything else the Pythagorean said was condemned because he, being a Pythagorean, had said it.

Pythagoras is beyond reproach in Arithmetic (but don’t let Pythagorean Arithmetic encroach on Geometry! There are size relations which are NOT numbers and not even rational ratios, like π and side of the double surface square compared to the side of the square you compare it to. [Second item also known as "sqrt of two"]

Incidentally, if Olivieri was intent on approving systems that had to be scientifically accurate, he should have rejected Kepler's system right off, since Kepler believed the planets were caused to revolve around the sun by magnetism. Newton had long since discredited that notion

Newton kept Kepler’s geometry, though. He only changed the mechanism.

By the way, the discrediting Newton did was probably due to a view of space above atmosphere as very close to absolute vacuum. In a smaller universe where interstellar matter is denser than we think, or if aether is a substance, or in both cases, the mechanism of electric or magnetic power might work.

But Newton had a problem with his own proposed mechanism.

Have you seen the video by Don Pettit?

The water droplets that in weightlessness orbit a charged knitting needle stick to it between 10 and 20 orbitations after start of orbit. So, I guess Kepler would be out of question too.

Riccioli, as you said, saw no problem with elliptic orbits, but he did see Kepler as wrong in proposing a materialistic mechanism.

He said we can’t check, but philosophical reasons plus majority of scholastics speak for taking of the four scenarios he knew of and considered, angelic movers as most probable one.

No, Mercury is mild compared to the other planets. Here is physicist Charles Lane Poor and astronomer Fred Hoyle on the issue:

The deviations from the “ideal” in the elements of a planet’s orbit are called “perturbations” or “variations” …. In calculating the perturbations, the mathematician is forced to adopt the old device of Hipparchus, the discredited and discarded epicycle. It is true that the name, epicycle, is no longer used, and that one may hunt in vain through astronomical text-books for the slightest hint of the present day use of this device, which in the popular mind is connected with absurd and fantastic theories. The physicist and the mathematician now speak of harmonic motion, of Fourier’s series, of the development of a function into a series of sines and cosines. The name has been changed, but the essentials of the device remain. And the essential, the fundamental point of the device, under whatever name it may be concealed, is the representation of an irregular motion as the combination of a number of simple, uniform circular motions

This is the kind of stuff I look forward to reading once I have a place where you can send me your book!

Btw, as I am a bit of a musicologist, any concrete sound is likely not to be a real sine wave, and is usually analysed as a combination of sine waves. Galileo’s father was a musician and I am not sure which of them made the experiments that Father Mersenne developed into the foundation of acoustics. I think it was the guy we are talking about. Sadly, he was sure, while Mersenne was not, that sound as heard was identical to vibrations. Mersenne also allowed, very wisely in my view, that vibrations could be accompanying a really extant audible quality.

Hans Georg Lundahl

V

Me to Sungenis

16/04/15 à 19h21

Re permissions

There is a general one:

hglwrites : A little note on further use conditions
https://hglwrites.wordpress.com/a-little-note-on-further-use-conditions/

If applied online, a link to original is in order.

I see absolutely no problem with the proposal.

Hans Georg Lundahl

To public reading this

My general permission is applicable as such on any essay my own, like the one on Anfossi/Settele.

For blogposts with shared copyright, there is for instance here, if anyone would want to print this correspondence ALSO a question of asking Palm and Sungenis. See more on this subject here:

Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere : Copyright issues on blogposts with shared copyright
http://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/p/copyright-issues-on-blogposts-with.html