With Hugh Owen, Mainly on Improving Catholic Creation Research, but Also on My Situation

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HGL to Hugh Owen

12/27/2021 at 5:57 PM

Kennedy Report

I am watching Forrest Valkai trying to debunk a section of The Kennedy Report. Here is were I stopped Forrest Valkai's video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJnhRQjPD9U&t=1106s

Random mutations do not all look like what he saw on the orphanage.

a) Some mutations, while indeed losses of information, are nevertheless beneficial. FV could very easily give the example of lactase persistence, eye colour, skin colour, speed for accumulating fat and muscle ...
b) What he saw would normally have been not locus mutations, but "chromosome mutations" - things that change the karyotype, one of the best known examples of which is Downs, three chromosomes 21 instead of 2. And chromosome mutations are indeed handicap, cancer, death before birth (three examples of the latter : trisomy 1, trisomy 3, tetraploidy all over the karyotype - mortal unless mosaical, or chimeral). However, the guy from The Kennedy Report seemingly has no idea how this could be exploited in the question of rising number of chromosomes, among mammals, which is one of the implications of evolution.

To me it seems, the Catholic creationist movement is - as far as the human reason aspect is concerned - a joke. It's like picking Ray Comfort over Jonathan Sarfati - or the preachy over the exact.

I am not saying that the points in the video by the Kennedy report are in and of themselves bad, but the guy seems unable to properly defend them. They can perhaps not be disproven by good analysis, but they are easy to debunk by nitpicking and the guy is not ready to nitpick back or even better forestall nitpicking by actually giving a not just coherent, but also detailed and informed reason for his points.

Meanwhile, there is a Catholic creationist apologist whom you are boycotting. Me.

You will excuse me for not wishing you a blessed Christmastide, you knew me years ago, and your boycott has blighted part of mine, through the poverty I'm going through.

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Hugh Owen to HGL

12/27/2021 at 7:37 PM

Re: Kennedy Report

Dear Hans,

Christ is born! Glorify Him!

Thank you for getting in touch.

Kennedy Hall does not represent the Kolbe Center, so we cannot take responsibility for any weaknesses in his presentation. On the other hand, it sounds as if some of the main points he made are correct, even if he was not able to defend them against "nit-picking." I have not seen his video so I do not know. For example, to show that there are "beneficial" mutations does not disprove the truth of the claim that there are no examples of mutations that add new functional information to the genome of any plant, animal or human. If that claim is true--and it is--then all the nit-picking in the world cannot save biological evolution from bankruptcy.

In short, your statement that "the Catholic creationist movement is - as far as the human reason aspect is concerned - a joke," is unjust, since the materials on our website and the content of our DVD series have held up very well under criticism. For examples, please see the "Replies to Critics" section of our website, especially the Trialogue with the two Dominican priests, to see that our team defends the traditional teaching of the Church on creation much better than the Catholic defenders of progressive creation or theistic evolution, from the perspective of theology, philosophy and natural science.

Through the prayers of the Mother of God, may the Holy Ghost lead us all into all the Truth and may we all be saved souls together in Heaven!

In Domino,

Hugh Owen

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HGL to Hugh Owen

12/28/2021 at 10:50 AM

Re: Kennedy Report

A few replies:

"For example, to show that there are "beneficial" mutations does not disprove the truth of the claim that there are no examples of mutations that add new functional information to the genome of any plant, animal or human."

Very true. But unfortunately not what Kennedy was saying.

Some people have tried to figure out how mutations could do that. Jacques Monod in the early 70's conceded that one mutation would not bring about a new functional gene. But he was optimistic, it could happen if an offspring inherited a mutation from father and one from mother. I have pointed out that this cannot happen, since the mutations will be on two different chromosomes, therefore two different and non-combining versions of the old gene. I am reminded of how Rev. Houghton mentioned that the mention of chromosomes was banned from French science for c. 50 years, because they understood how it undermined evolution - something which I also used in context with chromosome numbers being different.

I decided to make two thought experiments on it and here these are:

What Could Irregular Deletions Do? · What About Pseudo-Genes Starting to Code?

"If that claim is true--and it is--then all the nit-picking in the world cannot save biological evolution from bankruptcy."

There is bankrupcy and bankrupcy. In the final three and a half years before Harmageddon, two men will be soundly bankrupt intellectually, but they won't quite be so mediatically - you know the two who get thrown alive into a lake of fire. I want a Catholic Creationist movement that is able to show itself able to nitpick and therefore bankrupt any nitpicker like Forrest Valkai. Here is how I come up against him, btw:

Watch Forrest Valkai on his Video from 17:00 to 18:00 · Debate with Shane Wilson and ReiperX

and Forrest Valkai to the Rescue of Radiometric Dating (Or Not?) · L M and Comparative Religion to the Rescue of Forrest Valkai? · subductionzone to the rescue of Forrest Valkai? Or Keith Levkoff? Deus-Stein? · How Carbon Dating is Done, Why My Calibration is Possible

"For examples, please see the "Replies to Critics" section of our website, especially the Trialogue with the two Dominican priests"

Ah, I found "answer to second question" on it ... I sent one of the two an answer on "fittingness of evolution". Do you have any similar with secularists? I have, not due to them agreeing in advance, but due to my hijacking our dialogues onto my blogs (like the one linked to).

"In short, your statement that "the Catholic creationist movement is - as far as the human reason aspect is concerned - a joke," is unjust,"

I must admit I have omitted looking at your work, since you decided to overlook mine on carbon dates, when you defended a Vulgate-Ussher timeline instead of a timeline with Roman martyrology for December 25th, which is what I use. It should therefore be taken, as perhaps excepting not just me, but also you.

Still, I think you could improve if you took a bit of my materials too.

That said, in a more charitable mood, this time: Merry Christmas!

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Hugh Owen to HGL

12/28/2021 at 5:09 PM

Re: Kennedy Report

Dear Hans,

Christ is born! Glorify Him!

First things first: How is your mother doing? I have been keeping her in my prayers.

Thank you for your replies.

Please forgive me for not getting back to you about your work on C-14 dating. If I could trouble you to send it to me again, I will ask the member of our team who is in charge of that project to look at it carefully.

After we have looked at your work on C-14 dating, we can take up the pros and cons of the chronology derived from the Septuagint vs. the one derived from the numbers in the Hebrew text of the Bible that St. Jerome used in the Vulgate.

I am going to recommend to Kennedy Hall that he ask one of our leadership team members who has expertise in biology to do an interview with him and answer the critics. Hopefully, he will do so.

In Domino,

Hugh Owen

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HGL to Hugh Owen

12/28/2021 at 6:09 PM

Re: Kennedy Report

She was sending me a letter a few weeks ago, and I haven't received it.

Material on C-14, perhaps not identic to previous: Have you Really Taken ALL the Factors into Account? · New Tables · Why Should one Use my Tables? · And what are the lineups between archaeology and Bible, in my tables? · Bases of C14 · An example of using previous · Difference with Carbon 14 from Other Radioactive Methods

LXX / Roman martyrology vs later Hebrew texts (Vulgate, Masoretic), see my answer to CMI : Resp. to Carter / Cosner : In the Lifetime of Josephus
As well as my background story for Roman martyrology of December 25th, credits to my friend Stephan Borgehammar, a Church historian : Background to Christmas Martyrology · What Martyrology, by the way?

So, St. Jerome is equally responsible for the chronology of the martyrology (LXX without second Cainan) and for the Latin text with another chronology.

Your recommendations to Kennedy Hall are very appreciated.

Chromosome numbers, first published on Communities dot com · · · Undisputed facts · Hypothesis I · Hypothesis II · Hypothesis III · Hypothesis IV · Overall criticism

Update on Chromosome numbers · · · Talkorigins explains on human-chimp situation · my footnotes on this post · a little excursus on French language history

Speciation observed - but not in mammals · · · a wannna-read

Non-replies · · · comments part on non-replies, mostly links about chromosomal polymorphism

Chromosome numbers - the summing up · · · Kent Hovind's list of chromosome numbers of different species, plus one other link Comments part

Updated : Was I wrong on Karyograms?
Other : Microbes to Man - Happening Before Our Eyes?

Would that be some help?

Hans Georg Lundahl

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HGL to Hugh Owen

12/28/2021 at 7:04 PM

Re: Kennedy Report

Dear Hans,

Pax Christi!

That is a very rich collection of information!

We will try to be systematic and work our way through the various articles.

We will begin with the articles on C-14 which I will forward to our main expert in that area.

Please be patient with us, but we will get back to you this time!

In Domino,

Hugh Owen

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Hugh Owen to HGL

12/28/2021 at 7:08 PM

Re: Kennedy Report

Dear Hans,

Pax Christi!

When we try to open the files on C-14, Webroot tells us that the site is dangerous. Have you had any problems with site security?

Can you suggest another way to access the C-14 material?

In Domino,

Hugh Owen

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HGL to Hugh Owen

12/29/2021 at 6:36 PM

Re: Kennedy Report

No, I can't suggest any other way to access it.

Try to go to a cyber, ignore webroot and try there.

Either way, get used to such things abusively warning for sites that are NOT dangerous.

I have had the cyber site of a city near Paris block all of blogspot.com because it contains the letter sequence blogs pot .com and in French "pot" is not often used for flower pot or chamber pot, it's just slang for "weed".

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Hugh Owen to HGL

12/29/2021 at 11:22 PM

Re: Kennedy Report

Dear Hans,

Pax Christi!

I have asked my webmaster to help me access the content of your website safely.

I am sure that he will be able to do so.

In Domino,

Hugh

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HGL to Hugh Owen

12/30/2021 at 12:43 PM

Re: Kennedy Report

Thank you in advance!

You might be saving me a lot of trouble, if you get to it soon./HGL

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HGL to Hugh Owen

1/7/2022 at 3:10 PM

Hello, have the IT specialists resolved the problem, yet?

I should have been hearing some from you or the carbon experts, I feel?

If they are confused about sth, it could be the thing I deal with here:

My C14 Calibration, Has it Any Stability? · 670 Actual Years = 32 000 or 4000 Carbon Years? Both.

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HGL to Hugh Owen

1/7/2022 at 3:44 PM

webroot

look at this form:

https://www.brightcloud.com/tools/change-request.php

I found it on the site of webroot.

Someone manually would have put my blog URL on a "dangerous" category./HGL

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Hugh Owen to HGL

1/7/2022 at 6:34 PM

Re: webroot

Dear Brother Hans,

Pax Christi!

I finally had to have our webmaster send me the files. I then forwarded them to our expert in C-14 dating. He has a lot of irons in the fire, so please be patient. We will get back to you as soon as we can.

Your Mom is in my prayers. Are you able to visit her?

In Domino,

Hugh Owen

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HGL to Hugh Owen

1/7/2022 at 7:20 PM

Re: webroot

My mom is in Malmö. I am in Paris. 1249 km.

Travelling is restricted with mask and perhaps now even pass mandates.

I don't have a friend with a car who's willing to go, as far as I know./HGL