An exchange with Lauren Bass, on Pope Michael

Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: On the Late Pope · Correspondence of Hans Georg Lundahl: An exchange with Lauren Bass, on Pope Michael

First, her documentary:

Vatican in Exile (Pope Michael Short Documentary)
Lauren Bass | 17 Dec. 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5zs1Ir-5E0

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me to Lauren Bass

12/26/2022 at 8:14 PM

Good and Merry Christmas Octave!

Can I ask you a few things about the Pope Michael documentary?

And, can I share the correspondence on my blog? Correspondence of Hans Georg Lundahl - which is where I share for instance questions and answers like this.

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Lauren Bass to me

12/26/2022 at 9:14 PM

RE: Good and Merry Christmas Octave!

Hello Hans,


Thank you for reaching out. I met David Bawden/Pope Michael in 2019 while filming a short documentary about him for a university class along with four other classmates. While I was not personally acquainted with him, I will try to answer any questions you may have to the best of my knowledge.


Best regards,

Lauren Bass

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me to Lauren Bass

12/26/2022 at 9:19 PM

Re: RE: Good and Merry Christmas Octave!

One thing - was there any indication to you or anyone you know, that His Holiness was under some kind of psychiatric treatment or juridic constraints due to mental incapacity?

Hans Georg

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Lauren Bass to me

12/27/2022 at 12:03 AM

RE: RE: Good and Merry Christmas Octave!

At the time of filming in 2019, I was unaware of any psychiatric treatment that he was taking, and he did not appear to have any other juridical constraints. He seemed of sound mind during interactions with the film crew. No one else he was familiar with was present when filming and he seemed to have full agency and mental capacity at the time, though I am unaware how that may have changed before his death this year.


Lauren

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Lauren Bass to me

12/27/2022 at 1:47 AM

Re: RE: RE: Good and Merry Christmas Octave!

Apart from his having a stroke about a month before he died on August 2:nd, his status didn't change.

I find it unsettling that so many of those who take someone other than him for the Pope (notably Bergoglio) have spoken out and suggested he was mad.

I did not find him that either.

Thank you very much.

And best wishes!
Hans Georg Lundahl

Writing to an ex-JW

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Me to Jack Grey

12/6/2022 at 10:48 AM

Fw: Good Day, I never was a JW ...

I could not get in touch with Vevian Vozmediano, but you will do too:

Fw what I had sent her:

... but I value some who still are - or in one particular instance, who was on the edge.

"When the truth that used to be truth has become truth again" - he was no fan of the new light theory.

This said, I never wanted to be part of JW's, as I have no wish to deny the Divinity of Christ or the Blessed Trinity.

Now, may I ask you, and put your answer, perhaps our discussion, on a blog of mine ... Correspondence de / of / van Hans Georg Lundahl ... what do you think I should do IF:

• a) I am not a member of a high control cult (at least not one that worked out that way with me)
• b) lots of people THINK I am
• c) THEIR worries and efforts to get me out of it actually work like a high control cult pushing me into a kind of social prison?

Also, as you are an ex-JW, you may confirm, towards any Catholic favouring Day-Age over strict YEC, that far from my YEC being due to influence from the JW, it is actually their position that is if not from the JW, at least JW-compatible, and highly so?

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Jack Grey to me

12/6/2022 at 1:33 PM

Re: Good Day, I never was a JW ...

Not sure why this was sent to me. Is there a question?

Jack Grey
Empoweredmindstm@gmail.com

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Me to Jack Grey

12/6/2022 at 4:33 PM

Re: Re: Good Day, I never was a JW ...

Yes, to either or both of you.

A) Supposing I am NOT where you were when you were convinced JW's, and therefore, if I got you right, controlled, what should I do if a network thinks I am and goes on ambushing my life without convincing me, and don't say "go to the police" if the police would be involved themselves;
B) As I am a YEC and some "fellow Catholics" tend to present this as my being unduly influenced by JW's, can you confirm JW's are actually (like those people!) Old Earth, namely Day Age;
C) and hope you don't mind putting answers or discussion on my blog.

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Jack Grey to me

12/6/2022 at 6:45 PM

Re: Good Day, I never was a JW ...

I think you are using google translate. Not sure if english is your first language but the questions are very difficult to understand.

A) If JWs come to your home and you want them to stop simply say: thank you for coming please put me on your: DO NOT CALL list. If they are your friends simply ask them not to discuss religion with you. - very quickly you will find out if they are your friends or they are there to convert you.

B) From my perspective JWs are using most of the techniques of undue influence. Eg: Shunning of ex members, fear mongering, believing they are special and the only ones that will be saved, stay with us or you will die, you are with us or you are against us, Governing Body is the only channel of communication with God etc.

C) You can copy and paste my answers wherever you wish

Hope that helps

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Me to Jack Grey

12/6/2022 at 8:33 PM

Re: Good Day, I never was a JW ...

While my English is indeed not regionally anchored and not my first language, I am NOT using google translate.

And your guessing I were doing that is probably the reason why your answers are at least to point A (fortunately not to point C) adressing something other than what I actually asked.

A, my words:
"if a network thinks I am and goes on ambushing my life without convincing me, and don't say "go to the police" if the police would be involved themselves"

It should be clear from this, the network are not JW's. For instance, they are not usually admitted into the police.

A, your answer:
"If JWs come to your home and you want them to stop simply say: thank you for coming please put me on your: DO NOT CALL list. If they are your friends simply ask them not to discuss religion with you. - very quickly you will find out if they are your friends or they are there to convert you."

But my question was not actually about what to do about JW's. While they may legitimately be trouble to some, most notably ex-members, they are not to me.

B) The guys who are that to me are guys who tried no undue influence of my own perspectives, but are influencing others unduly about me. I am referring to people in Trad Catholic parishes who are telling their young or generous parishioners about me "he's influenced by JW's, otherwise he would be day age like we and not Young Earth Creationist like they are." So, I was asking you to confirm that in fact JW's - like them, not me - favour the Day Age reading of Genesis 1.

C) Thank you very much.

Hans Georg Lundahl

Contacts pris avec Rivarol et Galia Ackerman

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Moi à Rivarol

11/4/2022 at 10:55 AM

Est-ce que Vincent Reynouard m'en veut de ne pas avoir choisi un champ de bataille illégal, parce que l'endroit est hormis la feu Soviétique?

New blog on the kid : 3:51 à 4:32 avant-hier matin
https://nov9blogg9.blogspot.com/2022/11/351-432-avant-hier-matin.html

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Moi à Galia Ackerman

Via le site Desk Russie

11/4/2022 at 12:53 PM

Bonjour, à propos l'FSB

Selon Galia Ackerman - je viens de lire l'express hier - l'équipe de l'auparavant nommé KGB a réussi de reprendre le pouvoir en Russie.

Pour moi, j'ai connu très brièvement la droite française en 1991, à l'époque, elle était solidamment anti-soviétique, mais est-elle encore anti-FSB?

J'ai sympathisé avec Marion Maréchal comme parlementaire - mais ensuite, ISSEP, ça me déroute. Considérez-vous que la droite française pourrait être une nouvelle conquête de l'FSB?

Quand Stéphane Courtois a sorti Le livre noir du Communisme, il a eu un interview en Présent - l'a-t-il eu aussi quand le cible principale est plus récent?

Si je pouvais partager une éventuelle réponse ou encore mieux discussion sur le blog ...

Correspondence de / of / van Hans Georg Lundahl
https://correspondentia-ioannis-georgii.blogspot.com/

.... "that would be great" comme on dit en anglais.

Tout réactionnaire que je suis, et je me qualifie de fasciste (notons, le mot sonne autrement en Espagne, Autriche et Italie qu'en Europe de l'Est ou dans les pays de l'Europe Centrale ayant appartenu au pacte de Warsowie), je n'aime pas stalinisme doublé de la ploutocratie, ce que je vois sous Poutine (avec, bien entendu, beaucoup moins de perspective que vous).

Exemple, trouvez-vous réaliste de soupçonner que, pour Rivarol, pour St. Nicolas du Chardonnet ou les gens qui donnent le la, là-bas et encore quelques a) je viens d'un pays de l'Est (genre Autriche et Suède, c'est à peu près la Pologne sous Gomułka + les mises à jour après 1990), b) donc les gens des pays de l'Est (Pologne, Hongrie, Czequie, Russie, Ukraine, cette fois) sont des experts sur l'éducation que j'ai dû recevoir, c) ce qui les conduit à les permettre d'interpréter ce que je veux réellement dire avec une chose, genre avec un blog dont l'URL contient "nov9blogg9" ce qui devrait être du polonais ou quelque chose (en fait, le latin - novus bloggus est latin, et je boycotte "ephemeridium electronicum" pour blog! - a été langue officielle de la Pologne - mais quand le polonais l'était en Lithuanie, Grand-Duché, pas état-national), donc a eux de me décrypter, et d) dès par là des gens directement appartenant ou indirectement apparentés à l'FSB peut leur dire et convaincre que i) je fais le coq, donc suis pédé, ij) j'ai tout raté (ils l'auraient répéré dans des conversations en polonais* avec moi), iij) je suis manipulé, iu) je protège mon manipulateur en cachant son identité, u) et en fond, je manque très la sécurité, sur tous les plans, y compris intellectuel, comme on peut s'en attendre d'un ado ou d'un ado attardé, uj) description parfaite malgré mes 54 ans, vu que je ne me défais pas de Tolkien, C. S. Lewis, une compréhension fondamentaliste de la Bible, une confidence illimitée dans l'Église catholique** et une confidence illimité dans le sens litéral historique de la Bible ... uij) et que certaines choses sont résumés comme "il croit des théories de complot totalement délirantes" ce que pourrait viser Florian de Rouanet?

Ou en général que l'FSB, avec un certain pro-Poutinisme, soit devenu en état de manipuler de ce genre de manières la droite nationale française?

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris, St. Charles Borromée, 4.XI.2022

* Studiwalem jezyk polski tylko jeden termyn, pol czas, niestetny! Et c'était en 2003 plus un examen au début de 2004. Donc évidemment que j'aurais des meilleurs réussites de parler en polonais qu'en français, non?
** Les Protestants et Orthodoxes que ça agace, avec des Juifs, n'ont pas à dire à leur interlocuteurs que ce qui les agace comprend de justifier le rôle de St. Pie V dans la St. Bartholomée 1572 ou son expulsion des Juifs hormis ceux de Rome et Ancone à une distance d'une centaine de km max sur 90 jours de délai - pourquoi ça intéresserait

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Moi à Galia Ackerman

11/4/2022 at 4:42 PM

Un ajout sur mon example ... numéros uiij et ix

Exemple, trouvez-vous réaliste de soupçonner que, pour Rivarol, pour St. Nicolas du Chardonnet ou les gens qui donnent le la, là-bas et encore quelques a) je viens d'un pays de l'Est (genre Autriche et Suède, c'est à peu près la Pologne sous Gomułka + les mises à jour après 1990), b) donc les gens des pays de l'Est (Pologne, Hongrie, Czequie, Russie, Ukraine, cette fois) sont des experts sur l'éducation que j'ai dû recevoir, c) ce qui les conduit à les permettre d'interpréter ce que je veux réellement dire avec une chose, genre avec un blog dont l'URL contient "nov9blogg9" ce qui devrait être du polonais ou quelque chose (en fait, le latin - novus bloggus est latin, et je boycotte "ephemeridium electronicum" pour blog! - a été langue officielle de la Pologne - mais quand le polonais l'était en Lithuanie, Grand-Duché, pas état-national), donc a eux de me décrypter, et d) dès par là des gens directement appartenant ou indirectement apparentés à l'FSB peut leur dire et convaincre que i) je fais le coq, donc suis pédé, ij) j'ai tout raté (ils l'auraient répéré dans des conversations en polonais* avec moi), iij) je suis manipulé, iu) je protège mon manipulateur en cachant son identité, u) et en fond, je manque très la sécurité, sur tous les plans, y compris intellectuel, comme on peut s'en attendre d'un ado ou d'un ado attardé, uj) description parfaite malgré mes 54 ans, vu que je ne me défais pas de Tolkien, C. S. Lewis, une compréhension fondamentaliste de la Bible, une confidence illimitée dans l'Église catholique** et une confidence illimité dans le sens litéral historique de la Bible ... uij) et que certaines choses sont résumés comme "il croit des théories de complot totalement délirantes" ce que pourrait viser Florian de Rouanet?

uiij) et que géocentrisme est résumé comme "terre plate" (ce qui est contraire à la connaissance géographique obtenu par des témoins, donc exigerait - contrairement au géocentrisme - un complot de cacher observations pour être vrai
ix) et que mes preuves de Dieu ne seraient pas preuves sauf pour ceux qui croient déjà en Dieu (Communisme de KGB classique, véhiculé par Kirill) ...

Raison de l'ajout, quelques heures après de vous avoir contactés, cette vidéo m'est suggérée:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVHsJ3S1Joc (ix)

qui me conduit à celle-ci:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBqxhdrjDfs (uiij)

Que ce soit fait humainement directement envers moi, ou que des hystériques contactés (par exemple par vous) se seraient mis à prier pour que je "découvre mon erreur ridicule" ... sans de jamais vérifier eux-même si j'avais fait l'erreur exacte attribué à moi, ou si ce que j'avais répondu était vraiment ridicule ...

Hans Georg Lundahl

Aeslin Bard of Sacratus Apologetics Does No More Believe the Book of Mormon

So, I am asking him, if he was giving it a similar status as historic knowledge of George Washington. As I read his answer, it is no. But read the correspondence for yourselves.

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Me to Aeslin Bard

9/26/2022 at 12:57 PM

Consistency of Criteria

As you are a former believer of the Book of Mormon, I'd like to ask you if you ever considered it secure knowledge the same way as (not as much as, but known the same way as) :

• George Washington being the first President of the United States
• or Joseph Smith being first in the "Restoration"?

If you don't mind, I would be very happy to post the correspondence to this blog of mine:

Correspondence de / of / van Hans Georg Lundahl
https://correspondentia-ioannis-georgii.blogspot.com/

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Aeslin Bard to Me

9/27/2022 at 7:55 PM

RE: Consistency of Criteria

I never considered belief in the Book of Mormon of the same type of secure knowledge as knowing that George Washington was the first president of the United States. At the time I did see it as a type of secure knowledge. Though, even at the time I didn't see it as the same type of secure knowledge. On the other hand, in Mormon theology one can achieve a level of knowledge above faith that is secure and sure knowledge in things of the spirit that is more secure than the kind of knowing that George Washington lived. However, I personally find that this doctrine undermines the importance of faith and hope in our lives, and misunderstandd it. The foundation of faith and hope is trust in and love of God. I know, a type of secure knowledge (and I use that word 'know' purposefully), that even in my difficult moments I can depend on God. This is still backed by my own experience and the experiences from Sacred Scripture and church history at how God has always upheld and supported those who trust in him. In short, the Mormon Church does frequently say that they don't have the Gold Plates because belief in the Book of Mormon should be based on faith. But, faith is what God gives to us. Faith is from God and not physical evidence. St. Thomas the apostle is evidence for that point. Archaeological proof isn't the cause of faith. The physical Gold Plates wouldn't cause belief anymore than the mountains of biblical archaeology is the cause of faith for those scholars who still are atheist and agnostic and are biblical scholars. Though, the lack of the plates and the numerous unanswered questions in regard to Mormon history does call into question the claims of Mormonism.

In Christ,

Aeslin Bard

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Me to Aeslin Bard

9/27/2022 at 8:04 PM

Re: RE: Consistency of Criteria

Thank you very much!

The position I have is, to Moses, Joseph in Egypt, to Joseph Abraham and to Abraham the genealogies of Genesis 5 and 11 leading back to Adam and to Genesis 3 were the very same type of secure knowledge that we have of George Washington - spirit or not.

And the position of a certain Mr. Henke is, this could have come about by means such as Joseph Smith's forgery of the Book of Mormon.

I disagree on the ground you state, namely that the Book of Mormon does not have the simple status of "history" but of "history first lost and then spectacularily recovered" ...

What would you say to this?

What Henke Responded - up to "Henke2022aa" (with ab and ai looked up in advance, since referred to in previous) · Ah, Some New · Back to Philosophy · Beginning on Henke2022az? Nope. · Why Catalogue the Supernatural? Why Catalogue Fiction? · Henke(2022bi) Starts It Today! But I only get to Henke(2022bk) For Now. · New Batch of Henke Essays · Resuming at Henke(2022bL) after Interruption, up to 2022br. · Why Did I Bring Up Greek Myth? · Historicity of Certain Religious Stories, Notably Genesis

Which ones contain the Book of Mormon back and forth?

https://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/search?q=Mormon

Read at leasure or answer without much reading, as you wish.

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Aeslin Bard to Me

9/28/2022 at 12:23 AM

Re: RE: Consistency of Criteria

I think that comparing faith, especially religious faith, to the kind of knowledge that we know George Washington lived or that I'm typing on a computer, misses the central understanding of faith. True, faith does increase our intellect. However, the importance of faith is that it moves our will so we can say yes, essentially, to truths revealed supernaturally by God and thereby put those truths into practice (to paraphrase the Catechism of the Catholic Church, para. 1814-1816). In other words, hope focuses our vision, faith lightens our path, and love for the things of God moves us.

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Me to Aeslin Bard

9/28/2022 at 11:51 AM

Re: RE: Consistency of Criteria

With that Atheist, I was not discussing faith. I was discussing the natural evidence for historic truths.

Genesis 3 to Moses was both naturally known history and a truth of faith.

It was naturally known history insofar as he was heir of the tradition.

It was a truth of faith, insofar as he believed the words of God, to the serpent, to Eve, to Adam.

These two are distinct. Just as one can accept historically that Our Lord rose from the grave before accepting He is God, in faith, so also for the historic truths of the first 11 chapters of Genesis (well, chapter 1 was arguably a vision given to Moses)./HGL

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Aeslin Bard to Me

9/28/2022 at 1:17 PM

Re: RE: Consistency of Criteria

I assume calling me atheist was a typo. We must be having a miscommunication because I don't see any natural for the book of mormon or their claims. The Mormon church has even said that natural evidence doesn't promote faith. However, if you want my position on natural vs. revealed faith I'll be more than happy to ablige.

God Bless!

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Me to Aeslin Bard

9/28/2022 at 4:48 PM

Re: Re: RE: Consistency of Criteria

Sorry for the annoyance, I did not call YOU an Atheist.

I called Kevin R. Henke one, though technically incorrect as he insists on Agnostic rather than Atheist. So, in a sense it was even so a "typo" ... but culturally, he's very close to them.

If you had looked up the links, you would have seen I was having a debate with him.

"I don't see any natural for the book of mormon or their claims."

Exactly. And especially : the closest they come to believing Book of Mormon "as history" is very distinct from believing (naturally) George Washington as history.

That was the support I wanted FROM you and FOR the debate with Mr. Henke.

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Aeslin Bard to Me

9/28/2022 at 5:02 PM

Re: Re: RE: Consistency of Criteria

No annoyance at all. I'm glad I was able to assist. Anything else, don't hesitate to ask my friend.

In Christ!

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Me to Aeslin Bard

9/28/2022 at 5:11 PM

Re: Re: Re: RE: Consistency of Criteria

Thank you very much.

I'll put this up on my blog when I get a better computer than at this library (with full functions).

Hans Georg Lundahl

Stephan Borgehammar Brushing Up My Greek a Bit

Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: My Ancient Greek May Be Rusty, But Not Inextant · Correspondence of Hans Georg Lundahl: Stephan Borgehammar Brushing Up My Greek a Bit

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Me to Stephan Borgehammar

9/27/2022 at 1:34 PM

peri pleistou, Critias (in English as I ask to get your answer/s to my blog)

Am I right or is Athina right?

Me:
For the most, that which is to be made is not to live, but to live well.
(Me, not noted alternative) :
That which is to be made for the most is not to live, but to live well.
Athina:
One should not live to gain more things but to live well.

You may also be interested in Neanderthal démise:

Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere : So Far Confirming my Theories
https://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/2022/09/so-far-confirming-my-theories.html

The latest updates from it are from today, with tbitfiddler!

Ha det så godt!
Hans Georg Lundahl

Answered twice

II a and II b

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Stephan Borgehammar to Me

9/27/2022 at 10:01 PM

Re: peri pleistou, Critias (in English as I ask to get your answer/s to my blog)

I checked a few places where Plato writes περί πλείστου ποιείν and it seems to mean “value most highly”. So I would translate: “To live should not be valued most highly, but to live well.”

Bästa hälsningar,
Stephan

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Me to Stephan Borgehammar

9/28/2022 at 11:47 AM

Re: peri pleistou, Critias (in English as I ask to get your answer/s to my blog)

Thank you!

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Stephan Borgehammar to Me

9/27/2022 at 10:03 PM

Re: peri pleistou, Critias (in English as I ask to get your answer/s to my blog)

PS: A similar English expression is “to make the most of”.

Idem

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Me to Stephan Borgehammar

9/28/2022 at 11:48 AM

Re: peri pleistou, Critias (in English as I ask to get your answer/s to my blog)

Ah, not bad!

The kind of thing I miss with too little sleep!

Thank you again!/HGL

Condolances to the Vatican in Exile

New blog on the kid : HH Pope Michel - RIP · Correspondence of Hans Georg Lundahl : Condolances to the Vatican in Exile

It seems their contact form is malfunctioning, but this site is well read, so maybe someone may get it through by snail mail.

Website Contact Form

8/3/2022 at 3:22 PM

From: vaticaninexile

Name:

Hans Georg Lundahl

Email:

hgl@dr.com

How May We Help You?:

I heard His Holiness just passed away.

RIP.

I am definitely not a candidate for succession.

A copy of this email transmission was sent to:

hgl@dr.com

Their site is:
Vatican in Exile
https://www.vaticaninexile.com/

Le premier chef d'état finlandais parlait le suédois (avant le finnois)

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Moi à l'Institut finlandais

6/2/2022 at 3:05 AM

Urhon Kekkosen ou Uron Kekkosen?

Non, ce n'était pas le vrai sujet.

Je dirais que "finlandais" correspond au suédois "finsk/finländsk" mais jamais à "finne" puisque un Finnois diffère d'un Suéco-Finlandais ...

Quelqu'un à Rivarol (qui prétendait en plus la Finlande disputée entre Suède et Russie depuis très longtemps avant 1809!) parlait d'un "finlandais parlant le finnois" et je dirais qu'un Finnois parle le finnois et apprend le suédois, un Suéco-Finlandais parle le suédois et apprend le finnois, sauf sur Åland, et que les deux sont Finlandais, comme un Wallon et un Flamand sont, les deux, également des Belges.

Or, il pourrait avoir prié pour que je reconnaisse mon erreur, d'où la trouvaille sur Päivi Räsänen. Très évidemment une Finnoise, à mon avis.

Päivi Räsänen, ex-ministre de l'intérieur finlandaise
la procureure générale finlandaise
députée finlandaise

Je suis bien entendu d'accord avec le mot "finlandais" ici, comme je le serait avec le mot "belge" si c'était à Bruxelles dans ce genre de context, mais on est d'accord qu'en plus d'être citoyenne finlandaise, elle est une Finnoise, comme Hergé en plus d'être citoyen belge était un Wallon, non?

Qu'en pensez-vous, et est-ce que Urho Kekkonen a du "stadievexling" dans le prénom ou non, et est-ce que Mannerheim parlait le finnois, ou juste le suédois et l'allemand (en plus du russe)?/HGL

PS, en cas de réponse, j'ai le plan de republier sur Correspondence de / of / van Hans-Georg Lundahl/LM

["stadievexling" - nom. Ruoka (nourriture), gen. Ruoan (de la nourriture, sans k), ainsi Katto, Katon (toît ou plafond, un seul t au gen.), Kunta, Kunnan (municipalité, nt remplacé par nn).]

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L'Institut finlandais à moi

6/2/2022 at 5:17 PM

Re: Urhon Kekkosen ou Uron Kekkosen?

Bonjour Hans-Georg,

Merci pour votre message et votre intérêt pour l'Institut finlandais.

Les Finlandais suédophones sont des Finlandais qui parlent le suédois comme langue maternelle et sont enregistrés comme suédophones. Les Finlandais suédophones appellent tous les Finlandais finländare (Finlandais) et les Finlandais finnophones finnar (Finnois). Avec tout cela, en Finlande, ceux qui parlent le finnois comme langue maternelle et ceux qui parlent le suédois comme langue maternelle sont tous deux des Finlandais.

Pour le prénom Urho il n'y a pas de "stadieväxling" dans ce cas. Le suédois était la langue maternelle de Mannerheim et il a également appris le finnois, l'anglais, l'allemand, le français et le russe.

En espérant que notre réponse puisse vous aider.

Très bonne journée à vous !

Bien cordialement,
L'équipe de l'Institut finlandais
+33 7 68 44 07 66
info@institut-finlandais.fr

Institut finlandais
60, rue des Écoles, 75005 Paris

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Moi à l'Institut finlandais

6/2/2022 at 10:42 PM

Re: Urhon Kekkosen ou Uron Kekkosen?

Merci beaucoup!

Le premier chef d'état de la Finlande libre (après la brève république des Tavastes au nord d'Uusimaa, protectorat de la Suède avant Birger Jarl) était donc un Finlandais suédophone, un finlandssvensk.

Et Finlandais se réfère aux deux ethnies, comme Belge aux Wallons et aux Flamands.

Et, si jamais je suivrai le bon exemple de Mannerheim, d'apprendre votre noble langue, Urhon Kekkosen.

Hyvvää kiitos!*/HGL

*

C'est bien hyvää, avec un v, "my bad" comme on dit ...