Stefan Claesemann tries to take it in private with me

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Friday 28.I to Tuesday 1.II.2022

Stefan Clasemann

ven 12:12

Martyrologium AD 1584:

1584)

1. In the year 5199 since the creation of the world, when God created heaven and earth in the beginning,
2. in the year 2957 since the Flood,
3. in 2015 since Abraham's birth,
4. in the year 1510 since Moses and the exodus of the people of Israel from Egypt,
5. in the year 1032 since the anointing of David as king,

1. Over a millennium too early
2. Half a millennium too early
3. Only 4! years earlier! bull's eye!!!
4. Just 1 Century Later! Well!
5. Only 24 years later! Almost hit!!!

Martyrologium 2004:

1. Unproven evolutionary hypothesis theory as modern dogma forces apostasy and leads to refusal to estimate.
2. Unproven evolutionary hypothesis theory as modern dogma forces apostasy and leads to refusal to estimate.
3. Only the century is mentioned, therefore a deterioration by about half a century later Bible forger Ramses time dogmas
4. Deterioration by more than 3 centuries: Bible completely falsifying by Jericho long since refuted Ramses time dogma that schizophrenically dogmatically maintained by the refutators in order to allegedly prove the Bible as a book of fairy tales
5. Deterioration from 24 to 56 years of deviation

I have become traditional catholic and get bloody eyes reading the 2004 Martyrologium as proving evidence for the by Paul prophecised fall away from faith by my church in the end times.

I love the Latin Mass and know that the old Martyrologium is partly very near to the unfalsified biblical dates. All former biblical chronologists admit that they had to „change“ = falsify the biblical time data to make their chronologies work. Even the rabbinical old testament chronology admits to have taken bible external time data and thus changed what the Word of God originally says: Your catholic chronology is built on this Seder Olam Chronology, You could have studied all this already in the time you waste with „debating“ & „teaching“!

But I invest now my time to give You a last chance to understand: Even Holy Hyronimus failed in discovering a chronology in the Word with all biblical time data working out fine, he admitted it. Every jew or christian failed and admitted it. They all had to change the figures to make their chronologies work. You have to know things like that to understand it’s not about who is manipulating the biblical figures the best way wil win. It’s about the one who does use ALL the Word‘s time figures without changing one single one is the only one who follows a 100% the Word of God. And this has successfully happened now in the End Times. AND it reveals 10 times more archeological evidence and 10 times less contradiction or ignorance of the Word than ANY other Chronology. You HAVE to study my work in order to reach the necessary knowledge level to be able to understand & realize this!

ven 12:36 (continued)

The only time I started a debate within a public post instead of via messenger like You always do was with David Rohl, who discovered the past first location of Paradise on earth and the palace and one sculpture of Joseph: But I certainly did BEFOREHAND study his complete book intensively!!! In order to ensure an ADEQUATE level of discussion!!!

As long as You refuse to study beforehand Your „debate“ partner the readers of him are bored & annoyed about this embarrassing ignorance!!!

And as long as You refuse to deeply study the background history of the Martyrologium in order to understand where & when & by whom @ and why biblical time figures had been ignored or changed by nonbiblical reinterpretations, inadmissible nonbiblical parallizing of kings‘ reign times etc. etc.

You will never realize that the History of Bible Chronologisation is a history of small faith biblical scholars ALL admiting they had to change or ignore literal biblical time fogures to make their chronologies work!!! They all admit it!!! They don’t call it what it is (falsifications) but they admit that they changed & ignored literal biblical time data!!! Your clueless way of debating angers me!!!

But I somehow like You despite this so my heart maybe right that You‘re simply unaware of all this and that You’re are simply a true traditional catholic like me captured in the hope that my old church was a 100% right in its beliefs regarding chronological questions. That would be OK and even very likeable to me …

Or are simply one of these 1000‘s of Exodus Dating Theories Lobbyists fighting for their „theory“ like different football team fan clubs? I don’t waste my time with these clueless nuts …

ven 13:55

❣️🙋🏻‍♂️🙏
Oh Mary conceived without sin pray for us both, preserve us today from confusion and sin❣️

ven 14:22

„Why do You call me ‘Lord! Lord!’ but not do what I say?”

"Prove all things, hold fast that which is good." 1Thess5:21
"Test the spirits to see whether they are from God" 1John4:2

Just f…… -
finally do it man!
God bless Your truthseeker‘s way 🙏

HGL

sam 14:28

The ones who were actually tweaking figures were Jews in the lifetime of Josephus.

He gives the total of 292 between Flood and Birth of Abraham, but he enumerates a series of generations that adds up to close to the total of St. Jerome (Hieronymus in English as in French). So, he would have learned the Bible as a young child with the longer chronology of r Genesis 11.

mar

14:20 (HGL cont.)

Here is the quote:

Serug at one hundred and thirty; at the same age also Phaleg had Ragau; Heber begat Phaleg in his hundred and thirty-fourth year; he himself being begotten by Sala when he was a hundred and thirty years old, whom Arphaxad had for his son at the hundred and thirty-fifth year of his age. Arphaxad was the son of Shem, and born twelve years after the deluge. Now Abram had two brethren, Nahor and Haran: of these Haran left a son, Lot; as also Sarai and Milcha his daughters; and died among the Chaldeans, in a city of the Chaldeans, called Ur; and his monument is shown to this day. These married their nieces. Nabor married Milcha, and Abram married Sarai. Now Terah hating Chaldea, on account of his mourning for Ilaran, they all removed to Haran of Mesopotamia, where Terah died, and was buried, when he had lived to be two hundred and five years old; for the life of man was already, by degrees, diminished, and became shorter than before, till the birth of Moses; after whom the term of human life was one hundred and twenty years, God determining it to the length that Moses happened to live. Now Nahor had eight sons by Milcha; Uz and Buz, Kemuel, Chesed, Azau, Pheldas, Jadelph, and Bethuel. These were all the genuine sons of Nahor; for Teba, and Gaam, and Tachas, and Maaca, were born of Reuma his concubine: but Bethuel had a daughter, Rebecca, and a son, Laban.

Total given as per Masoretic, not a Bible quote. Details given largely LXX and part Bible quotes from the Genesis 11 he learned as a child.

Stefan Clasemann

You still don’t listen, learn, investigate, study and THEN teach: The Martyrologium builds partly on the rabbinical Seder Olam Chronology of the 2nd century:

Many changes of biblical time figures are based on the Bible external Second Century Rabba Seder Olam which is also cited in the Jewish Talmud: The Seder Olam ads Bible Tanakh external time estimations into its chronology and does change the meaning of biblical time figures by reinterpretation based on rabbinical Bible external traditions to make its Chronology work. These Bible figures changing time estimations and reinterpretations have been misused up until today by Leading "Biblical" Archeology to prove the Bible/Tanakh being a compendium of politically motivated lies of the first millennium BC based on "contemporary reflections"

I can’t waste more time on You Hans, You‘ve decided to stay a learning resistant clueless teach instead of turning around to an intelligent critical truthseeker never giving up to "Prove all things, hold fast that which is good." 1Thess5:21
"Test the spirits to see whether they are from God" 1John4:2
Search attention and love for Your teaching somewhere else.
May HE show You the WAY to THE TRUTH 🙋🏻‍♂️🙏

HGL

18:50

Who taught you that YOU are the one who should teach ME?

Who taught you that Seder Olam being identic to LXX or to LXX without the second Cainan, if so, is the innovation?

And if you "can't waste more time on me" why tf are you wasting so much time on using depreciating language about me?

The one rabbinic teaching that IS an innovation is the idea that Melchisedec was Shem.

And this is what the Masoretic and Vulgate chronology allow and what the chronology of the RM as well as the words of St. Paul to the Hebrews disallows.

You even allow yourself to say the RM is correct with four years difference for Abraham's birth, when on your view for the timing of the Exodus you should say 104 years. Or 101.

1609 + 505 = 2114.

Abraham got a promise at age 75 and Exodus was, according to your own patron saint, 430 years from that promise. 430 + 75 = 505.

But Biblical chronology is perhaps not your worst sin in academia on this issue.

You claim to respect all of the Biblical chronology.

Fine - what do you do with a carbon date like 40 000 BP for a Neanderthal in El Sidrón? You need to reduce it, right?

Well, you seem to assume you can reduce C14 dates by cramming as if all were chaotic as to atmospheric C14 content, wildly vaccillating between 0 and 50 pmC, and then of a sudden, you get a situation with 100 pmC, so the carbon date for Sesostris III coinciding with the date of Joseph in Egypt (on your view) "proves" Sesostris III is Joseph's pharao.

What if, in Joseph's time, C14 had a lower level, still rising from the near zero, though laready closer to 100 pmC, and therefore the date of Joseph needs some centuries addition, before you get to the carbon date of Joseph's pharao?

That's my take, and I take Djoser to be Joseph's pharao. And Imhotep to be one - vizier or retroactive legendary - name for Joseph.

19:15 (cont.)

By the way, I am well aware of the background history of the martyrology.

One late 15th C version of Usuard introduced it from Historia Scholastica, who took it from St. Jerome, who got the earlier parts from Julius Africanus - who used, not Vulgate, but Vetus Latina.

On your view, early Christians prior to St. Jerome were misled by Seder Olam - if only as to chronology.

19:16

You also speak about my "debating" and "teaching" - for debating, you can cut the citation marks, for teaching, you can cut the word altogether.

19:22

Rabba Seder Olam is btw contemporary to Julius Africanus, he does not depend on it as far as we can see.

19:25

And my tables have so far not given any obvious mismatch with archaeology - only with its accepted dates (which I know a way around and a rational one).

Next day, Candlemass, I posted the next part to him.