Monday, 26 December 2022

An exchange with Lauren Bass, on Pope Michael


Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: On the Late Pope · Correspondence of Hans Georg Lundahl: An exchange with Lauren Bass, on Pope Michael

First, her documentary:

Vatican in Exile (Pope Michael Short Documentary)
Lauren Bass | 17 Dec. 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5zs1Ir-5E0


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me to Lauren Bass
12/26/2022 at 8:14 PM
Good and Merry Christmas Octave!
Can I ask you a few things about the Pope Michael documentary?

And, can I share the correspondence on my blog? Correspondence of Hans Georg Lundahl - which is where I share for instance questions and answers like this.

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Lauren Bass to me
12/26/2022 at 9:14 PM
RE: Good and Merry Christmas Octave!
Hello Hans,


Thank you for reaching out. I met David Bawden/Pope Michael in 2019 while filming a short documentary about him for a university class along with four other classmates. While I was not personally acquainted with him, I will try to answer any questions you may have to the best of my knowledge.


Best regards,

Lauren Bass

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me to Lauren Bass
12/26/2022 at 9:19 PM
Re: RE: Good and Merry Christmas Octave!
One thing - was there any indication to you or anyone you know, that His Holiness was under some kind of psychiatric treatment or juridic constraints due to mental incapacity?

Hans Georg

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Lauren Bass to me
12/27/2022 at 12:03 AM
RE: RE: Good and Merry Christmas Octave!
At the time of filming in 2019, I was unaware of any psychiatric treatment that he was taking, and he did not appear to have any other juridical constraints. He seemed of sound mind during interactions with the film crew. No one else he was familiar with was present when filming and he seemed to have full agency and mental capacity at the time, though I am unaware how that may have changed before his death this year.


Lauren

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Lauren Bass to me
12/27/2022 at 1:47 AM
Re: RE: RE: Good and Merry Christmas Octave!
Apart from his having a stroke about a month before he died on August 2:nd, his status didn't change.

I find it unsettling that so many of those who take someone other than him for the Pope (notably Bergoglio) have spoken out and suggested he was mad.

I did not find him that either.

Thank you very much.

And best wishes!
Hans Georg Lundahl

Thursday, 8 December 2022

Writing to an ex-JW


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Me to Jack Grey
12/6/2022 at 10:48 AM
Fw: Good Day, I never was a JW ...
I could not get in touch with Vevian Vozmediano, but you will do too:

Fw what I had sent her:
... but I value some who still are - or in one particular instance, who was on the edge.

"When the truth that used to be truth has become truth again" - he was no fan of the new light theory.

This said, I never wanted to be part of JW's, as I have no wish to deny the Divinity of Christ or the Blessed Trinity.

Now, may I ask you, and put your answer, perhaps our discussion, on a blog of mine ... Correspondence de / of / van Hans Georg Lundahl ... what do you think I should do IF:

  • a) I am not a member of a high control cult (at least not one that worked out that way with me)
  • b) lots of people THINK I am
  • c) THEIR worries and efforts to get me out of it actually work like a high control cult pushing me into a kind of social prison?


Also, as you are an ex-JW, you may confirm, towards any Catholic favouring Day-Age over strict YEC, that far from my YEC being due to influence from the JW, it is actually their position that is if not from the JW, at least JW-compatible, and highly so?

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Jack Grey to me
12/6/2022 at 1:33 PM
Re: Good Day, I never was a JW ...
Not sure why this was sent to me. Is there a question?

Jack Grey
Empoweredmindstm@gmail.com

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Me to Jack Grey
12/6/2022 at 4:33 PM
Re: Re: Good Day, I never was a JW ...
Yes, to either or both of you.

A) Supposing I am NOT where you were when you were convinced JW's, and therefore, if I got you right, controlled, what should I do if a network thinks I am and goes on ambushing my life without convincing me, and don't say "go to the police" if the police would be involved themselves;
B) As I am a YEC and some "fellow Catholics" tend to present this as my being unduly influenced by JW's, can you confirm JW's are actually (like those people!) Old Earth, namely Day Age;
C) and hope you don't mind putting answers or discussion on my blog.

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Jack Grey to me
12/6/2022 at 6:45 PM
Re: Good Day, I never was a JW ...
I think you are using google translate. Not sure if english is your first language but the questions are very difficult to understand.

A) If JWs come to your home and you want them to stop simply say: thank you for coming please put me on your: DO NOT CALL list. If they are your friends simply ask them not to discuss religion with you. - very quickly you will find out if they are your friends or they are there to convert you.

B) From my perspective JWs are using most of the techniques of undue influence. Eg: Shunning of ex members, fear mongering, believing they are special and the only ones that will be saved, stay with us or you will die, you are with us or you are against us, Governing Body is the only channel of communication with God etc.

C) You can copy and paste my answers wherever you wish

Hope that helps

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Me to Jack Grey
12/6/2022 at 8:33 PM
Re: Good Day, I never was a JW ...
While my English is indeed not regionally anchored and not my first language, I am NOT using google translate.

And your guessing I were doing that is probably the reason why your answers are at least to point A (fortunately not to point C) adressing something other than what I actually asked.

A, my words:
"if a network thinks I am and goes on ambushing my life without convincing me, and don't say "go to the police" if the police would be involved themselves"

It should be clear from this, the network are not JW's. For instance, they are not usually admitted into the police.

A, your answer:
"If JWs come to your home and you want them to stop simply say: thank you for coming please put me on your: DO NOT CALL list. If they are your friends simply ask them not to discuss religion with you. - very quickly you will find out if they are your friends or they are there to convert you."

But my question was not actually about what to do about JW's. While they may legitimately be trouble to some, most notably ex-members, they are not to me.

B) The guys who are that to me are guys who tried no undue influence of my own perspectives, but are influencing others unduly about me. I am referring to people in Trad Catholic parishes who are telling their young or generous parishioners about me "he's influenced by JW's, otherwise he would be day age like we and not Young Earth Creationist like they are." So, I was asking you to confirm that in fact JW's - like them, not me - favour the Day Age reading of Genesis 1.

C) Thank you very much.

Hans Georg Lundahl

Friday, 11 November 2022

Contacts pris avec Rivarol et Galia Ackerman


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Moi à Rivarol
11/4/2022 at 10:55 AM
Est-ce que Vincent Reynouard m'en veut de ne pas avoir choisi un champ de bataille illégal, parce que l'endroit est hormis la feu Soviétique?
New blog on the kid : 3:51 à 4:32 avant-hier matin
https://nov9blogg9.blogspot.com/2022/11/351-432-avant-hier-matin.html


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Moi à Galia Ackerman
Via le site Desk Russie
11/4/2022 at 12:53 PM
Bonjour, à propos l'FSB
Selon Galia Ackerman - je viens de lire l'express hier - l'équipe de l'auparavant nommé KGB a réussi de reprendre le pouvoir en Russie.

Pour moi, j'ai connu très brièvement la droite française en 1991, à l'époque, elle était solidamment anti-soviétique, mais est-elle encore anti-FSB?

J'ai sympathisé avec Marion Maréchal comme parlementaire - mais ensuite, ISSEP, ça me déroute. Considérez-vous que la droite française pourrait être une nouvelle conquête de l'FSB?

Quand Stéphane Courtois a sorti Le livre noir du Communisme, il a eu un interview en Présent - l'a-t-il eu aussi quand le cible principale est plus récent?

Si je pouvais partager une éventuelle réponse ou encore mieux discussion sur le blog ...

Correspondence de / of / van Hans Georg Lundahl
https://correspondentia-ioannis-georgii.blogspot.com/


.... "that would be great" comme on dit en anglais.

Tout réactionnaire que je suis, et je me qualifie de fasciste (notons, le mot sonne autrement en Espagne, Autriche et Italie qu'en Europe de l'Est ou dans les pays de l'Europe Centrale ayant appartenu au pacte de Warsowie), je n'aime pas stalinisme doublé de la ploutocratie, ce que je vois sous Poutine (avec, bien entendu, beaucoup moins de perspective que vous).

Exemple, trouvez-vous réaliste de soupçonner que, pour Rivarol, pour St. Nicolas du Chardonnet ou les gens qui donnent le la, là-bas et encore quelques a) je viens d'un pays de l'Est (genre Autriche et Suède, c'est à peu près la Pologne sous Gomułka + les mises à jour après 1990), b) donc les gens des pays de l'Est (Pologne, Hongrie, Czequie, Russie, Ukraine, cette fois) sont des experts sur l'éducation que j'ai dû recevoir, c) ce qui les conduit à les permettre d'interpréter ce que je veux réellement dire avec une chose, genre avec un blog dont l'URL contient "nov9blogg9" ce qui devrait être du polonais ou quelque chose (en fait, le latin - novus bloggus est latin, et je boycotte "ephemeridium electronicum" pour blog! - a été langue officielle de la Pologne - mais quand le polonais l'était en Lithuanie, Grand-Duché, pas état-national), donc a eux de me décrypter, et d) dès par là des gens directement appartenant ou indirectement apparentés à l'FSB peut leur dire et convaincre que i) je fais le coq, donc suis pédé, ij) j'ai tout raté (ils l'auraient répéré dans des conversations en polonais* avec moi), iij) je suis manipulé, iu) je protège mon manipulateur en cachant son identité, u) et en fond, je manque très la sécurité, sur tous les plans, y compris intellectuel, comme on peut s'en attendre d'un ado ou d'un ado attardé, uj) description parfaite malgré mes 54 ans, vu que je ne me défais pas de Tolkien, C. S. Lewis, une compréhension fondamentaliste de la Bible, une confidence illimitée dans l'Église catholique** et une confidence illimité dans le sens litéral historique de la Bible ... uij) et que certaines choses sont résumés comme "il croit des théories de complot totalement délirantes" ce que pourrait viser Florian de Rouanet?

Ou en général que l'FSB, avec un certain pro-Poutinisme, soit devenu en état de manipuler de ce genre de manières la droite nationale française?

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris, St. Charles Borromée, 4.XI.2022

* Studiwalem jezyk polski tylko jeden termyn, pol czas, niestetny! Et c'était en 2003 plus un examen au début de 2004. Donc évidemment que j'aurais des meilleurs réussites de parler en polonais qu'en français, non?
** Les Protestants et Orthodoxes que ça agace, avec des Juifs, n'ont pas à dire à leur interlocuteurs que ce qui les agace comprend de justifier le rôle de St. Pie V dans la St. Bartholomée 1572 ou son expulsion des Juifs hormis ceux de Rome et Ancone à une distance d'une centaine de km max sur 90 jours de délai - pourquoi ça intéresserait

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Moi à Galia Ackerman
11/4/2022 at 4:42 PM
Un ajout sur mon example ... numéros uiij et ix
Exemple, trouvez-vous réaliste de soupçonner que, pour Rivarol, pour St. Nicolas du Chardonnet ou les gens qui donnent le la, là-bas et encore quelques a) je viens d'un pays de l'Est (genre Autriche et Suède, c'est à peu près la Pologne sous Gomułka + les mises à jour après 1990), b) donc les gens des pays de l'Est (Pologne, Hongrie, Czequie, Russie, Ukraine, cette fois) sont des experts sur l'éducation que j'ai dû recevoir, c) ce qui les conduit à les permettre d'interpréter ce que je veux réellement dire avec une chose, genre avec un blog dont l'URL contient "nov9blogg9" ce qui devrait être du polonais ou quelque chose (en fait, le latin - novus bloggus est latin, et je boycotte "ephemeridium electronicum" pour blog! - a été langue officielle de la Pologne - mais quand le polonais l'était en Lithuanie, Grand-Duché, pas état-national), donc a eux de me décrypter, et d) dès par là des gens directement appartenant ou indirectement apparentés à l'FSB peut leur dire et convaincre que i) je fais le coq, donc suis pédé, ij) j'ai tout raté (ils l'auraient répéré dans des conversations en polonais* avec moi), iij) je suis manipulé, iu) je protège mon manipulateur en cachant son identité, u) et en fond, je manque très la sécurité, sur tous les plans, y compris intellectuel, comme on peut s'en attendre d'un ado ou d'un ado attardé, uj) description parfaite malgré mes 54 ans, vu que je ne me défais pas de Tolkien, C. S. Lewis, une compréhension fondamentaliste de la Bible, une confidence illimitée dans l'Église catholique** et une confidence illimité dans le sens litéral historique de la Bible ... uij) et que certaines choses sont résumés comme "il croit des théories de complot totalement délirantes" ce que pourrait viser Florian de Rouanet?

uiij) et que géocentrisme est résumé comme "terre plate" (ce qui est contraire à la connaissance géographique obtenu par des témoins, donc exigerait - contrairement au géocentrisme - un complot de cacher observations pour être vrai
ix) et que mes preuves de Dieu ne seraient pas preuves sauf pour ceux qui croient déjà en Dieu (Communisme de KGB classique, véhiculé par Kirill) ...

Raison de l'ajout, quelques heures après de vous avoir contactés, cette vidéo m'est suggérée:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVHsJ3S1Joc (ix)

qui me conduit à celle-ci:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBqxhdrjDfs (uiij)

Que ce soit fait humainement directement envers moi, ou que des hystériques contactés (par exemple par vous) se seraient mis à prier pour que je "découvre mon erreur ridicule" ... sans de jamais vérifier eux-même si j'avais fait l'erreur exacte attribué à moi, ou si ce que j'avais répondu était vraiment ridicule ...

Hans Georg Lundahl

Thursday, 29 September 2022

Aeslin Bard of Sacratus Apologetics Does No More Believe the Book of Mormon


So, I am asking him, if he was giving it a similar status as historic knowledge of George Washington. As I read his answer, it is no. But read the correspondence for yourselves.

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Me to Aeslin Bard
9/26/2022 at 12:57 PM
Consistency of Criteria
As you are a former believer of the Book of Mormon, I'd like to ask you if you ever considered it secure knowledge the same way as (not as much as, but known the same way as) :
  • George Washington being the first President of the United States
  • or Joseph Smith being first in the "Restoration"?


If you don't mind, I would be very happy to post the correspondence to this blog of mine:

Correspondence de / of / van Hans Georg Lundahl
https://correspondentia-ioannis-georgii.blogspot.com/


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Aeslin Bard to Me
9/27/2022 at 7:55 PM
RE: Consistency of Criteria
I never considered belief in the Book of Mormon of the same type of secure knowledge as knowing that George Washington was the first president of the United States. At the time I did see it as a type of secure knowledge. Though, even at the time I didn't see it as the same type of secure knowledge. On the other hand, in Mormon theology one can achieve a level of knowledge above faith that is secure and sure knowledge in things of the spirit that is more secure than the kind of knowing that George Washington lived. However, I personally find that this doctrine undermines the importance of faith and hope in our lives, and misunderstandd it. The foundation of faith and hope is trust in and love of God. I know, a type of secure knowledge (and I use that word 'know' purposefully), that even in my difficult moments I can depend on God. This is still backed by my own experience and the experiences from Sacred Scripture and church history at how God has always upheld and supported those who trust in him. In short, the Mormon Church does frequently say that they don't have the Gold Plates because belief in the Book of Mormon should be based on faith. But, faith is what God gives to us. Faith is from God and not physical evidence. St. Thomas the apostle is evidence for that point. Archaeological proof isn't the cause of faith. The physical Gold Plates wouldn't cause belief anymore than the mountains of biblical archaeology is the cause of faith for those scholars who still are atheist and agnostic and are biblical scholars. Though, the lack of the plates and the numerous unanswered questions in regard to Mormon history does call into question the claims of Mormonism.

In Christ,

Aeslin Bard

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Me to Aeslin Bard
9/27/2022 at 8:04 PM
Re: RE: Consistency of Criteria
Thank you very much!

The position I have is, to Moses, Joseph in Egypt, to Joseph Abraham and to Abraham the genealogies of Genesis 5 and 11 leading back to Adam and to Genesis 3 were the very same type of secure knowledge that we have of George Washington - spirit or not.

And the position of a certain Mr. Henke is, this could have come about by means such as Joseph Smith's forgery of the Book of Mormon.

I disagree on the ground you state, namely that the Book of Mormon does not have the simple status of "history" but of "history first lost and then spectacularily recovered" ...

What would you say to this?

What Henke Responded - up to "Henke2022aa" (with ab and ai looked up in advance, since referred to in previous) · Ah, Some New · Back to Philosophy · Beginning on Henke2022az? Nope. · Why Catalogue the Supernatural? Why Catalogue Fiction? · Henke(2022bi) Starts It Today! But I only get to Henke(2022bk) For Now. · New Batch of Henke Essays · Resuming at Henke(2022bL) after Interruption, up to 2022br. · Why Did I Bring Up Greek Myth? · Historicity of Certain Religious Stories, Notably Genesis

Which ones contain the Book of Mormon back and forth?

https://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/search?q=Mormon

Read at leasure or answer without much reading, as you wish.

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Aeslin Bard to Me
9/28/2022 at 12:23 AM
Re: RE: Consistency of Criteria
I think that comparing faith, especially religious faith, to the kind of knowledge that we know George Washington lived or that I'm typing on a computer, misses the central understanding of faith. True, faith does increase our intellect. However, the importance of faith is that it moves our will so we can say yes, essentially, to truths revealed supernaturally by God and thereby put those truths into practice (to paraphrase the Catechism of the Catholic Church, para. 1814-1816). In other words, hope focuses our vision, faith lightens our path, and love for the things of God moves us.

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Me to Aeslin Bard
9/28/2022 at 11:51 AM
Re: RE: Consistency of Criteria
With that Atheist, I was not discussing faith. I was discussing the natural evidence for historic truths.

Genesis 3 to Moses was both naturally known history and a truth of faith.

It was naturally known history insofar as he was heir of the tradition.

It was a truth of faith, insofar as he believed the words of God, to the serpent, to Eve, to Adam.

These two are distinct. Just as one can accept historically that Our Lord rose from the grave before accepting He is God, in faith, so also for the historic truths of the first 11 chapters of Genesis (well, chapter 1 was arguably a vision given to Moses)./HGL

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Aeslin Bard to Me
9/28/2022 at 1:17 PM
Re: RE: Consistency of Criteria
I assume calling me atheist was a typo. We must be having a miscommunication because I don't see any natural for the book of mormon or their claims. The Mormon church has even said that natural evidence doesn't promote faith. However, if you want my position on natural vs. revealed faith I'll be more than happy to ablige.

God Bless!

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Me to Aeslin Bard
9/28/2022 at 4:48 PM
Re: Re: RE: Consistency of Criteria
Sorry for the annoyance, I did not call YOU an Atheist.

I called Kevin R. Henke one, though technically incorrect as he insists on Agnostic rather than Atheist. So, in a sense it was even so a "typo" ... but culturally, he's very close to them.

If you had looked up the links, you would have seen I was having a debate with him.

"I don't see any natural for the book of mormon or their claims."

Exactly. And especially : the closest they come to believing Book of Mormon "as history" is very distinct from believing (naturally) George Washington as history.

That was the support I wanted FROM you and FOR the debate with Mr. Henke.

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Aeslin Bard to Me
9/28/2022 at 5:02 PM
Re: Re: RE: Consistency of Criteria
No annoyance at all. I'm glad I was able to assist. Anything else, don't hesitate to ask my friend.

In Christ!

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Me to Aeslin Bard
9/28/2022 at 5:11 PM
Re: Re: Re: RE: Consistency of Criteria
Thank you very much.

I'll put this up on my blog when I get a better computer than at this library (with full functions).

Hans Georg Lundahl

Wednesday, 28 September 2022

Stephan Borgehammar Brushing Up My Greek a Bit


Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: My Ancient Greek May Be Rusty, But Not Inextant · Correspondence of Hans Georg Lundahl: Stephan Borgehammar Brushing Up My Greek a Bit

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Me to Stephan Borgehammar
9/27/2022 at 1:34 PM
peri pleistou, Critias (in English as I ask to get your answer/s to my blog)


Am I right or is Athina right?

Me:
For the most, that which is to be made is not to live, but to live well.
(Me, not noted alternative) :
That which is to be made for the most is not to live, but to live well.
Athina:
One should not live to gain more things but to live well.

You may also be interested in Neanderthal démise:

Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere : So Far Confirming my Theories
https://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/2022/09/so-far-confirming-my-theories.html


The latest updates from it are from today, with tbitfiddler!

Ha det så godt!
Hans Georg Lundahl

Answered twice
II a and II b

II a
Stephan Borgehammar to Me
9/27/2022 at 10:01 PM
Re: peri pleistou, Critias (in English as I ask to get your answer/s to my blog)
I checked a few places where Plato writes περί πλείστου ποιείν and it seems to mean “value most highly”. So I would translate: “To live should not be valued most highly, but to live well.”

Bästa hälsningar,
Stephan

III a
Me to Stephan Borgehammar
9/28/2022 at 11:47 AM
Re: peri pleistou, Critias (in English as I ask to get your answer/s to my blog)
Thank you!

II b
Stephan Borgehammar to Me
9/27/2022 at 10:03 PM
Re: peri pleistou, Critias (in English as I ask to get your answer/s to my blog)
PS: A similar English expression is “to make the most of”.

Idem

III b
Me to Stephan Borgehammar
9/28/2022 at 11:48 AM
Re: peri pleistou, Critias (in English as I ask to get your answer/s to my blog)
Ah, not bad!

The kind of thing I miss with too little sleep!

Thank you again!/HGL

Wednesday, 3 August 2022

Condolances to the Vatican in Exile


New blog on the kid : HH Pope Michel - RIP · Correspondence of Hans Georg Lundahl : Condolances to the Vatican in Exile

It seems their contact form is malfunctioning, but this site is well read, so maybe someone may get it through by snail mail.

Website Contact Form
8/3/2022 at 3:22 PM
From: vaticaninexile

Name:
Hans Georg Lundahl

Email:
hgl@dr.com

How May We Help You?:
I heard His Holiness just passed away.

RIP.

I am definitely not a candidate for succession.

A copy of this email transmission was sent to:
hgl@dr.com


Their site is:
Vatican in Exile
https://www.vaticaninexile.com/

Friday, 3 June 2022

Le premier chef d'état finlandais parlait le suédois (avant le finnois)


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Moi à l'Institut finlandais
6/2/2022 at 3:05 AM
Urhon Kekkosen ou Uron Kekkosen?
Non, ce n'était pas le vrai sujet.

Je dirais que "finlandais" correspond au suédois "finsk/finländsk" mais jamais à "finne" puisque un Finnois diffère d'un Suéco-Finlandais ...

Quelqu'un à Rivarol (qui prétendait en plus la Finlande disputée entre Suède et Russie depuis très longtemps avant 1809!) parlait d'un "finlandais parlant le finnois" et je dirais qu'un Finnois parle le finnois et apprend le suédois, un Suéco-Finlandais parle le suédois et apprend le finnois, sauf sur Åland, et que les deux sont Finlandais, comme un Wallon et un Flamand sont, les deux, également des Belges.

Or, il pourrait avoir prié pour que je reconnaisse mon erreur, d'où la trouvaille sur Päivi Räsänen. Très évidemment une Finnoise, à mon avis.

Päivi Räsänen, ex-ministre de l'intérieur finlandaise
la procureure générale finlandaise
députée finlandaise

Je suis bien entendu d'accord avec le mot "finlandais" ici, comme je le serait avec le mot "belge" si c'était à Bruxelles dans ce genre de context, mais on est d'accord qu'en plus d'être citoyenne finlandaise, elle est une Finnoise, comme Hergé en plus d'être citoyen belge était un Wallon, non?

Qu'en pensez-vous, et est-ce que Urho Kekkonen a du "stadievexling" dans le prénom ou non, et est-ce que Mannerheim parlait le finnois, ou juste le suédois et l'allemand (en plus du russe)?/HGL

PS, en cas de réponse, j'ai le plan de republier sur Correspondence de / of / van Hans-Georg Lundahl/LM

["stadievexling" - nom. Ruoka (nourriture), gen. Ruoan (de la nourriture, sans k), ainsi Katto, Katon (toît ou plafond, un seul t au gen.), Kunta, Kunnan (municipalité, nt remplacé par nn).]

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L'Institut finlandais à moi
6/2/2022 at 5:17 PM
Re: Urhon Kekkosen ou Uron Kekkosen?
Bonjour Hans-Georg,

Merci pour votre message et votre intérêt pour l'Institut finlandais.

Les Finlandais suédophones sont des Finlandais qui parlent le suédois comme langue maternelle et sont enregistrés comme suédophones. Les Finlandais suédophones appellent tous les Finlandais finländare (Finlandais) et les Finlandais finnophones finnar (Finnois). Avec tout cela, en Finlande, ceux qui parlent le finnois comme langue maternelle et ceux qui parlent le suédois comme langue maternelle sont tous deux des Finlandais.

Pour le prénom Urho il n'y a pas de "stadieväxling" dans ce cas. Le suédois était la langue maternelle de Mannerheim et il a également appris le finnois, l'anglais, l'allemand, le français et le russe.

En espérant que notre réponse puisse vous aider.

Très bonne journée à vous !

Bien cordialement,
L'équipe de l'Institut finlandais
+33 7 68 44 07 66
info@institut-finlandais.fr

Institut finlandais
60, rue des Écoles, 75005 Paris

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Moi à l'Institut finlandais
6/2/2022 at 10:42 PM
Re: Urhon Kekkosen ou Uron Kekkosen?
Merci beaucoup!

Le premier chef d'état de la Finlande libre (après la brève république des Tavastes au nord d'Uusimaa, protectorat de la Suède avant Birger Jarl) était donc un Finlandais suédophone, un finlandssvensk.

Et Finlandais se réfère aux deux ethnies, comme Belge aux Wallons et aux Flamands.

Et, si jamais je suivrai le bon exemple de Mannerheim, d'apprendre votre noble langue, Urhon Kekkosen.

Hyvvää kiitos!*/HGL

*
C'est bien hyvää, avec un v, "my bad" comme on dit ...

Tuesday, 10 May 2022

Lesquels sont le plus anti-avortement?


Il faut finir avec ce carnage. Pour les présidentielles, je n'ai pas donné des consignes, je ne suis pas un Français. Mais je suis Chrétien, pour les législatives, faites bloc contre l'avortement !

Ma première missive à Nicolas Dupont-Aignan manque, son contenu peut être deviné par sa réponse.

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Nicolas DUPONT-AIGNAN à moi
12/6/2021 at 2:49 PM
Clause de conscience
Cher Monsieur,


Vous avez bien voulu me faire part de votre inquiétude, pour ne pas dire votre profonde indignation, concernant l’allongement du délai de l’Interruption Volontaire de Grossesse (IVG), tel qu’il figure dans la proposition de loi déposée par un certain nombre de mes collègues Députés éco-féministes, notamment au regard de la clause de conscience.

Permettez-moi tout d’abord de vous rappeler les principes qui guident mes convictions dans ce domaine : il m’apparaît indispensable que soit mise en place une politique familiale qui permette aux parents (un papa et une maman, cela va sans dire, mais cela va mieux en le disant) de fonder un foyer au meilleur des intérêts de l’enfant.

Cela passerait notamment par l’instauration du salaire parental permettant à l’un des deux parents de disposer d’un revenu décent, de cotiser pour la retraite et de prendre en charge l’éducation de leurs petits jusqu’à leur entrée en maternelle.

Ce faisant, nous replacerions l’interruption volontaire de grossesse dans l’esprit originel de la loi Veil : un acte d’ultime recours quand aucune autre solution n’existe. A ce titre, je m’oppose fermement à l’allongement du délai légal de l’IVG de 12 à 14 semaines ! Il faut en effet considérer la gravité de cet acte pour ce qu’il est (ce n’est pas un banal moyen de contraception) et permettre aux mères de disposer de toute la palette des solutions pour garder leur enfant, afin que l’IVG ne soit envisagée qu’en dernier ressort.

Enfin, l’article 2 de cette proposition de loi, qui retient particulièrement votre attention, préconise en effet la suppression de la double clause de conscience, ce qui m’apparaît condamnable à deux égards : d’abord parce qu’il s’agit d’un verrou permettant à un praticien d’exprimer ses convictions éthiques dans ce qui relève de sa conception intime de la vie humaine ; mais également parce qu’il y a lieu de s’interroger sur l’intérêt à légiférer pour des situations qui correspondent à moins de 5% des demandes annuelles d’IVG ! Aussi, n'aurai-je évidemment aucun mal à revenir sur cette disposition si elle devait être adoptée.

Vous assurant de mon entier soutien, je vous prie de croire, Cher Monsieur, à l’expression de mes salutations distinguées.


Nicolas DUPONT-AIGNAN
Si vous souhaitez connaître mes prises de position,
je vous invite à vous rendre sur le site internet www.2022nda.fr
et sur ma page Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nicolasdupontaignan/
où j’interviens tous les jours en direct
Vous pouvez aussi retrouver mon discours de présentation de mon
programme présidentiel pour 2022 en cliquant ICI.

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moi à Nicolas DUPONT-AIGNAN
12/6/2021 at 6:39 PM
Re: Clause de conscience
Merci beaucoup pour la réponse.

Je vais bien entendu voir s'il y a quelqu'un qui voudra même abolir la "loi" Veil, mais en attendant, vous avez mon attention.

Puis-je vous poser encore une question? Seriez-vous d'accord de ramener l'âge nubile vers plus jeune en vue de remettre certaines grossesses sur les bons chemins? J'y ai réfléchi ici:

New blog on the kid : Le droit de ne pas avorter
https://nov9blogg9.blogspot.com/2021/12/le-droit-de-ne-pas-avorter.html


Hans Georg Lundahl

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moi à Présent, Critias, Rivarol, Chiré
3/20/2022 at 7:31 PM
en réponse à Bruno Mégret
http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.com/2022/03/pas-daccord-bruno-megret-pas-daccord.html

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Salon Beige (Guillaume de Thieulloy) à moi
5/2/2022 at 6:11 PM
Un procès qui pourrait bien se retourner contre le Grand Orient…
Chers amis,

Je savais que le procès du Salon beige avec le Grand Orient sur la question de l’avortement intéresserait beaucoup et ferait beaucoup parler. Mais je ne m’attendais pas à ce que ce soit à ce point.

J’ai reçu énormément de messages. Y compris des messages étonnants de francs-maçons se désolidarisant du Grand Orient et me disant qu’eux-mêmes refusaient les agressions anti-chrétiennes et la promotion du massacre des innocents.

Cela achève de me convaincre que nous tenons là une merveilleuse occasion de faire progresser les idées pro-vie bien au-delà des cercles cathos que nous avons l’habitude de toucher.

Il faut absolument intensifier notre communication.

[Liens de don, accessibles pour ceux qui s'abonnent à leur lettre, omis ici]

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moi à Guillaume de Thieulloy
5/3/2022 at 10:26 AM
Re: Un procès qui pourrait bien se retourner contre le Grand Orient…
Parlant d'agressions antichrétiennes ...

Aggressé, avant-hier matin · Après l'attaque - j'ai eu des problèmes de virilité

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moi à Bruno Gollnisch, Présent
5/6/2022 at 6:21 PM
6, clarifier votre message
Bonjour, M. Gollnisch.*

J'ai essayé de contacter Marine Le Pen pour savoir combien le RN est contre l'avortement. Pour ce qui est de Dupondt-Aignan, il a déjà répondu (avant le premier tour), qu'il veut abolir Gaissot**, mais pas aller plus loin.

Au moment que je le contactais, je croyais, par erreur, que le délai jusqu'à 14e semaine n'avait pas été retenue, seule l'abolition de la liberté de conscience pour les médecins, et étant le fils d'une étudiante de cette faculté qui était interne en gériatrie, parce que sa spécialité préférée, la gynécologie, lui était bloquée par un dispositif suédois de ce type (d'ailleurs identique, je pense, à ce qui se passe chez Poutine), j'avais demandé comme si la seule chose à faire (contre Gaillot) était de reconstituer la liberté des médecins de refuser. Mais bien entendu s'il voulait aller plus loin aussi.

Je suis assez d'accord avec Allie Beth Stuckey*** : quelle vue qu'on porte sur l'immigration, comment on en veut combattre certaines dérives, c'est une question politique, dont des Chrétiens peuvent être de diverses opinions. Je ne vois donc pas l'intérêt de conseiller les Français là-dessus, quand je suis immigré moi-même; par contre, être contre l'avortement est une obligation non négotiable pour toute politie non seulement de Chrétienté, mais compatible avec le Christianisme. Je peux donc, en simple Chrétien résidant en France, avoir mon mot à dire.

En 2012, j'aurais fait entrisme pour vous élire, plutôt que Marine, ce qu'on m'avait demandé à St. Nicolas du Chardonnet : parce que, pour vous, la lutte contre l'avortement était plus importante que la lutte contre clandestins, ou si j'avais bien compris. Ceci ne veut pas dire qu'en votant la présidentielle, j'aurais forcément préféré vous élire plutôt que le feu Axel de Boer.° Si j'avais été un Français.

Donc, j'essaie d'avoir des réponses, à républier sur mon blog de correspondance, quel est le parti qui lutte le plus contre l'avortement. J'aimerais publier les correspondances dessus avant les législatives.

Hans Georg Lundahl

* Si éventuellement sa boîte mail refuse d'accepter un mail de la mienne, je prie la rédaction à transmettre.
** J'ai reçu un coup sur la tête, si je suis contre une "loi plus sotte que gaie" c'est la "loi" Gaillot que je vise ici.
*** Sa vidéo et le post qui contient mes commentaires:
Seeing Tim Keller through Allie Beth Stuckey : Reflections on the Evil of Abortion, and Related Issues

Responding to Tim Keller’s Terrible Abortion Take | Ep 609
3rd May 2022 | Allie Beth Stuckey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYaRYJ7QXps


° Voir
Non, la Ste Jehanne d'Arc n'est pas une manif raciste ...
...et Pie XII n'a pas interdit le créationnisme ...

Saturday, 7 May 2022

Chabad on Vera Cheberiak and St. Simon of Trent, feat. Luther and St. John Chrysostom


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Chabad.org to me
3/10/2022 at 8:10 PM
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Vera Cheberiak - was she of Jewish origin?

Is it possible she knew sufficient of ritual slaughter to imitate the proceding with a human object and simply was herself the one trying to blame Jews?

As for Beilis being "the Tsar's" scapegoat, it seems to me, he was rather, like the Kaiser in the Xanten case, trying to make a point of exonerating reasonably suspect Jewish collectivities.

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Simcha Bart to me
3/11/2022 at 7:20 AM
Chabad.org: Feedback { Ref. No. 5588688 }
B"H

Hi Hans Georg,

I think it is important to see the case in the context of how Russian people, as well as the Tsars, had been treating Jews during the century preceding the Beilis case, to get an understanding of the motivations of all the people involved. Tsarist Russia throughout those years had used pogroms and other oppressive means to distract their restive populace from expressing their discontent with their poor lot in other ways.

To just lay the blame on one individual, is not taking into consideration all the oppression and pogroms instigated by the Tsars and the Russian government that caused mass immigration from the Russian empire in the 1800s.

Further to suggest that that one individual was of Jewish origin - sounds like blaming the victim for his own persecution. Such an attitude only adds insult to injury.

Please don't hesitate to write back if I can be of any further help.

Best wishes,

Simcha Bart
Chabad.org

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Me to Simcha Bart
3/11/2022 at 5:29 PM
Re: Chabad.org: Feedback { Ref. No. 5588688 }
There are other cases where I am very positive that the "blood libel" actually covers a misdeed done by Jews.

Let's take St. Simon of Trent.

There was a small Jewish community there, he went to play with them, he reappeared dead with the blood emptied as with a Jewish slaughter and with the throat slit accordingly, and I think that the latter was also the case with the boy in the Beilis case.

That's why I'm concerned about the origins of Vera Cheberiak.

In one other case, there seems to be an exoneration - Bl. Andrew of Rinn. No cut throat, but hung, and the only one to have seen the Jews (if any) was the uncle who is somewhat suspect to me.

With the boy from Bloys, I think we may have had to do with a kidnap, and the Christian boy taken away from Christian parents to be raised Jewish.

My theory of why this happened has something to do with whether the boys themselves (perhaps not Bl. Andrew, where Jews may have not been involved) had Jewish origins. No Sanhedrin, however rogue, would in a non-Hebrew country condemn any boy to death for the "crime of Christianity" if he were a goy. Or would they? I think such reactions can only be explained for Holy Land and if the boy was of Jewish origin.

You see, I don't see that the Jews were just helplessly taking persecution and not retaliating. Whether the persecution was real or apparent, merited or not.

So, I'd agree with you, killing a Christian boy is not a regular part of the Jewish religion. But it could nevertheless have been a recurring part of Jewish politics against Christians.

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Simcha Bart to me
3/11/2022 at 6:16 PM
Chabad.org: Feedback { Ref. No. 5588688 }
B"H

Hi Hans Georg,

There is no evidence for that blood libel either - that's why it's a libel, a complete fabrication. Just because a Christian institution decided to make the child a Saint - does not mean anything historically or factually.

The fact that you are "very positive" is not proof. I'm sure all of those who murdered and maimed thousands, if not tens of thousands of Jews throughout history - were "very positive" that Jews were guilty of all sorts of terrible things.

It is normal when looking back at history to try to justify what occurred then - but that tendency to whitewash and excuse terrible attacks against innocent men, women, and children is in itself bowing to evil.

That is how people come to justify and whitewash the murder of six million Jews by the Germans and their cohorts in other countries. People can't believe that there's such cruelty in the world - so they find it easier to blame the victim, especially if the victims are Jews, than to blame those who hate Jews.

The Church has instituted Jew hatred on an unprecedented scale.

Rome and christianity has been responsible for more deaths and displacements, tortures etc. of Jews throughout Jewish history, than any one other group or nation!

I never knew my grandparents, or most of my parents' families - because they were Jewish the vast majority of my fathers' family were placed against a wall by Nazis, who were practicing christians, and shot. Except for my father, only 2 cousins in his huge family survived their persecution!

No one nation or culture, whether ancient Egypt, Babylon, or Rome, to 20th century Germany, has killed as many Jews as christians and christians churches have!

To begin this journey of discovery of the macabre history of christianity, please see James Carroll's Constantine's Sword: The Church and the Jews -- A History, written by a former christian clergyman.

You may also want to read The Anguish of the Jews: Twenty-Three Centuries of Antisemitism by Edward H. Flannery - another clergyman. I have not read this book but I picked up the following about it.

At the beginning, the author states that most of even well educated Christians have been in the dark about what has happened to the Jews throughout history and the Church's responsibility. The book covers anti-Semitism in all it's many forms, including persecution, torture, pogroms, massacres, social degradations, forced baptisms & conversions throughout the many periods of the Diaspora.

You are also encouraged to look at the book of John, and his hatred of the Jews. Then read the Homilies of Chrysostom. And here is something from Martin Luther as well:

"What then shall we Christians do with this damned, rejected race of Jews? Since they live among us and we know about their lying and blasphemy and cursing, we cannot tolerate them if we do not wish to share in their lies, curses, and blasphemy. . . . .We must prayerfully and reverentially practice a merciful severity. . . . .

"Let me give you my honest advice:

"First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our LORD and of Christendom.

"Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed.

"Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them.

"Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb.

"Fifth, I advise that safe conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside, since they are not lords, officials, tradesmen, or the like. Let them stay at home. [We might well ask "What home?", since they were all presumably burned in point two!]

"Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them, and put aside for safe keeping.

"Seventh, I recommend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hand of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow."

Please don't hesitate to write back if I can be of any further help.

Best wishes,

Simcha Bart
Chabad.org

Sent from my mobile device, please excuse any typos.

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Me to Simcha Bart
3/12/2022 at 1:04 PM
Re: Chabad.org: Feedback { Ref. No. 5588688 }
Look at the attack of the Synagogue of York.

Then look at who killed the children inside - yes, the fathers, to spare them the "horror" of being baptised. They also killed their wives and themselves / each other Masada style.

"The Church has instituted Jew hatred on an unprecedented scale."

Very much on the contrary, Jews have instituted the first hatred of the Church and have continued, and the Church has not been generous with retaliation./HGL

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Simcha Bart to me
3/13/2022 at 3:10 AM
Chabad.org: Feedback { Ref. No. 5588688 }
B"H

Hi Hans Georg,

Please read the two books which I told you about by people from within the Church.

Please don't hesitate to write back if I can be of any further help.

Best wishes,

Simcha Bart
Chabad.org

Sent from my mobile device, please excuse any typos.

The joyous holiday of Purim begins this Wednesda evening, March 16 through Thursday, March 17 (March 18 in Jerusalem).
Check out https://chabad.org/purim for everything need for Purim!

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Me to Simcha Bart
3/14/2022 at 8:53 PM
Re: Chabad.org: Feedback { Ref. No. 5588688 }
As for St. John Chrysostom, he lived in a time when Jews were bad.

As for Martin Luther - he was bad. He got expelled from the Church for it.

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Simcha Bart to me
3/15/2022 at 12:44 AM
Chabad.org: Feedback { Ref. No. 5588688 }
B"H

Hi Hans Georg,

We won't get anywhere like this, as there's no way to settle such an argument.

Just as you think that Luther was bad - I think that about anyone in the Church who said, and ultimately caused, pogroms, ghettos, and the Holocaust. Regardless of the Church considers them a "saint".

I say Luther and John are all wrong about the Jews - period.

Please don't hesitate to write back if I can be of any further help.

Best wishes,

Simcha Bart
Chabad.org

Sent from my mobile device, please excuse any typos.

The joyous holiday of Purim begins this Wednesday evening, March 16 through Thursday, March 17 (March 18 in Jerusalem).
Check out https://chabad.org/purim for everything need for Purim!

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Me to Simcha Bart
3/15/2022 at 11:16 AM
Re: Chabad.org: Feedback { Ref. No. 5588688 }
There is a kind of Jews I think you won't frequent. The kind who get into astrology, sexology and give Christians or secularised such lots of bad tips on living, or good tips on sex life, depending on your point of view.

Those are THE exact kind of Jews St. John Chrysostom had in mind.

Sure, he used hard language about rejecting the true Messiah as well, but he did not have to do with The Black Hundreds, and it's not his fault that some of the people who actually did commit pogroms were quotemining him.

Luther is something else, he was against Jews, rebellious farmers, and Catholic clergy remaining faithful to the Church. And he did foment violence (directly with rebellious farmers, by clumsiness at least in the other cases) in his own lifetime. Blaming Catholics for his faults is like blaming you on Chabad for Baruch Spinoza's heresies ...

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Simcha Bart to me
3/16/2022 at 6:00 AM
Chabad.org: Feedback { Ref. No. 5588688 }
B"H

Hi Hans Georg,

I think we will just be going around in circles, as you have your convictions and I have mine.

I believe that even though Luther broke away from Catholicism - he was drawing on his what he grew up with. You will most probably disagree with me.

I believe that the Spanish Inquisition, as well as the Crusades, and various pogroms were all created by Church teachings - you may disagree.

So where does that leave us? You can read the books I recommended, or not. But until you do, I do not see how we can have a productive dialogue.

At the moment then, it looks to me that our conversation about this topic is at an end.

Best wishes,

Simcha Bart
Chabad.org

Sent from my mobile device, please excuse any typos.

The joyous holiday of Purim begins this Wednesday evening, March 16 through Thursday, March 17 (March 18 in Jerusalem).
Check out https://chabad.org/purim for everything need for Purim!

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Me to Simcha Bart
3/16/2022 at 3:04 PM
Re: Chabad.org: Feedback { Ref. No. 5588688 }
I think you just gave those books a very scathing review:

"I believe that the Spanish Inquisition, as well as the Crusades, and various pogroms were all created by Church teachings - you may disagree."

If this is what you get from these books, you and they have a problem.

If I recommended you read "Dictionnaire Apologétique de la Foi Catholique" and its articles on the Jews, would you?

I believe the Inquisition and the Crusades were very well created by Church teachings - and that neither of them targetted Jews as Jews (crypto-Jews are another context).

I also believe no pogroms were created by Church teaching, note well, Roman Catholic one. They were indeed punishable by the Church authorities, and most notably by the Inquisition.

A book that ties Crusades, Inquisition, Spanish or other, to pogroms, or even two of them, is, to my mind, out of court.

Crusades targetted non-Christian political powers, as per Church doctrine, and in the first crusade, some of the popular support came to target Jews as an Ersatz for actual Sarrasins, despite it (and Peter the Hermit left the Crusade after he had seen this happening), but this was not the cause with the lords' crusade or later crusades.

The Inquisitions before the Spanish one had no task of targetting crypto-Jews, and even the Spanish one wasn't targetting open Jews (while at a certain moment, the political power, drawing on history about the Moorish invasion, did).

Pogroms are rare in the West outside certain precise contexts:

  • in response to at least purported killings of children, early on in England
  • in the Germanies when no Kaiser was around (both Rex Rintfleisch and Hitler)
  • in the Germanies in the Alemannic area, which came, like Luther, to mostly leave Catholicism.


"I believe that even though Luther broke away from Catholicism - he was drawing on his what he grew up with."

Yes and no.

What he believed about Jews may have been 100 % what Catholics then and there believed, and perhaps as much as 90 % of it actual Church doctrine.

How and when he expressed it (in 1536) was however not a question of Catholic pastoral.

He was actually drawing on what he grew up with in 1514 (while still a Catholic) and saying:

Conversion of the Jews will be the work of God alone operating from within, and not of man working — or rather playing — from without. If these offences be taken away, worse will follow. For they are thus given over by the wrath of God to reprobation, that they may become incorrigible, as Ecclesiastes says, for every one who is incorrigible is rendered worse rather than better by correction. (1)


And even just after the break, 1519 and 23:

"Absurd theologians defend hatred for the Jews. ... What Jew would consent to enter our ranks when he sees the cruelty and enmity we wreak on them—that in our behavior towards them we less resemble Christians than beasts?" (2)

"If I had been a Jew and had seen such dolts and blockheads govern and teach the Christian faith, I would sooner have become a hog than a Christian. They have dealt with the Jews as if they were dogs rather than human beings; they have done little else than deride them and seize their property. When they baptize them they show them nothing of Christian doctrine or life, but only subject them to popishness and mockery...If the apostles, who also were Jews, had dealt with us Gentiles as we Gentiles deal with the Jews, there would never have been a Christian among the Gentiles ... When we are inclined to boast of our position [as Christians] we should remember that we are but Gentiles, while the Jews are of the lineage of Christ. We are aliens and in-laws; they are blood relatives, cousins, and brothers of our Lord. Therefore, if one is to boast of flesh and blood the Jews are actually nearer to Christ than we are...If we really want to help them, we must be guided in our dealings with them not by papal law but by the law of Christian love. We must receive them cordially, and permit them to trade and work with us, that they may have occasion and opportunity to associate with us, hear our Christian teaching, and witness our Christian life. If some of them should prove stiff-necked, what of it? After all, we ourselves are not all good Christians either." (3)


His book Of the Jews and their Lies is from 1536, believed to be influenced by Anton Margaritha, a convert from Judaism who (like the parents of Cantor and Marx) became a Lutheran.

I'm giving the source wikipedia and the sources it gave:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_and_antisemitism

  • 1. Martin Luther, "Luther to George Spalatin Archived 2007-07-02 at the Wayback Machine," in Luther's Correspondence and Other Contemporaneous Letters, trans. Henry Preserved Smith (Philadelphia: Lutheran Publication Society, 1913), 1:29.
  • 2. Luther quoted in Elliot Rosenberg, But Were They Good for the Jews? (New York: Birch Lane Press, 1997), p.65.
  • 3. Martin Luther, "That Jesus Christ was Born a Jew," Trans. Walter I. Brandt, in Luther's Works (Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1962), pp. 200–201, 229.


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Me to Simcha Bart
3/16/2022 at 3:09 PM
Re: Chabad.org: Feedback { Ref. No. 5588688 }
Here Luther was NOT drawing on what he had learnt as a Catholic before the break:

In the treatise, he argues that Jewish synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes burned, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness,[2] afforded no legal protection,[3] and "these poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time.[4] He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[W]e are at fault in not slaying them".[5]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies

It was more probably popular demand, of the type that Luther had equally pandered to when denouncing Catholic beggar monks (as early as 95 theses)./HGL


Epilogue:

It seems I either forgot to answer or lost my mail to Simcha about "the book of John".

I celebrated St. Patrick and not Purim. This was perhaps the reason why certain things happened./HGL

Sunday, 27 March 2022

Über Claesemanns Theorien mit Tradis in Hamburg


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Ich an P. Matthias Rohling, FSSPX
2/5/2022 at 1:59 PM
Ist Stefan Claesemann ein Gläubiger des Priorats Hl. Theresa von Avila, Hamburg?
Wenn nicht, dann warscheinlich Sedevacantist, auch Hamburg.

Wir theilen einen Einsatz für die Historizität der Bibel, aber sie sieht bei uns verschieden aus, ich denke der Seine ist aus wissenschaftlicher Sicht nur schlecht möglich, wärend meiner noch keine Widerlegung fand.

Aber, entscheiden Sie selbst, hier sind unsere Auseinandersetzungen:

HGL'S F.B. WRITINGS: Somewhat Sectarian Style, Semel · Somewhat Sectarian Style, bis · Correspondence of Hans Georg Lundahl: No Answer from Dr. Liebi, So Far? · Stefan Claesemann tries to take it in private with me · Creation vs. Evolution : Let's Carbon Test Stefan Claesemann's ChronologyCorrecting the Test]*

Er behauptet zwar nicht, aber impliziert einen Aufstieg des C-14-Halts von 1,4 bis 100 pmC in höchstens 507 Jahren oder sogar noch nur 367, wenn es ihm ernst ist um Mentuhotep III als Pharao Abrahams, ich behaupte direct einen solchen Aufstieg in 1772 Jahren.

Er hat die Masoretisch-Vulgate Chronologie, Abraham geboren 292 nach der Sintflut, ich den kürzeren LXX (ohne 2. Kainan), Abraham geboren 942 nach der Flut.

Er identifiziert den reellen Alter Sesostris III mit dem C-14-Alter, und macht ihn zum Pharao Josephs, ich identifiziere erst den Fall Trojas C-14-Zeit mit reeller, and mache Sesostris III zum Pharao gestorben 1590 v. Chr. - um die Geburt Mosens.

Einzelkeiten dazu in dem letzten Theil obiger Serie.

Hans Georg Lundahl

* Fußnote
Correcting the Test wurde später zugefügt. Siehe nächsten Brief.

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Ich an P. Matthias Rohling, FSSPX
2/18/2022 at 2:35 PM
Ist Stefan Claesemann etc. Fortsetzung
Ich entdeckte einen Rechenfehler in mein Let's Carbon Test Stefan Claesemann's Chronology - Von Sintflut an Joseph in Ägypten habe ich 292 + 215 Jahre Masoretische Chronologie gerechnet, es sollte aber sein 292 + 75 + 215.

Mit der Berichtigung nahm ich den Entschluß die mathematische Überprüfung zu wiederholen, mit der Berichtigung berücksichtigt. Hier : Correcting the Test

Auch wenn Stefan Claesemann nicht ein Gläubiger des Priorats hl. Theresa von Avila ist, finde ich, Sie sollten es auch mal lesen.

Daß ich ihn für entweder FSSPX oder Sedevacante halte, schließe ich von hier, seinen Worten:

I have become traditional catholic and get bloody eyes reading the 2004 Martyrologium as proving evidence for the by Paul prophecised fall away from faith by my church in the end times.

I love the Latin Mass and know that the old Martyrologium is partly very near to the unfalsified biblical dates.


Daß er in Hamburg wohnt steht auf sein FB-Profil.

Und die Ursache Ihres Schweigens, was soll ich daraus schließen?

Hans Georg Lundahl

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P. Matthias Rohling, FSSPX an mich
2/23/2022 at 7:35 PM
Re: Ist Stefan Claesemann etc. Fortsetzung
Sehr geehrter Hr. Lundahl,
Vielen Dank für Ihren Hinweis. Sie haben Recht, dass Sie nachfragen, warum ich Ihnen erst jetzt - auf Ihre bereits zweite Email - antworte. Ich bitte um Verzeihung, dass ich Sie so lange warten ließ.
Die Ursache, erst heute mein Schweigen zu brechen und Ihnen eine Antwort zu schreiben, resultiert aus der Größe der Gemeinde, die ich zurzeit betreue, und meiner weiteren Aufgaben in der Gemeinde an meinem Wohnort. Mein Schweigen war und ist kein Zeichen von Desinteresse an der Frage, sondern schlicht und ergreifend meine aktuell mich sehr in Anspruch nehmenden Aufgaben. Ich hoffe, Sie können mir noch einmal verzeihen.
Über ein persönliches Kennenlernen würde ich mich sehr freuen - falls Ihnen genehm.
In jedem Fall Ihnen alles Gute und Gottes Segen,
Ihr P. Roling

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Ich an P. Matthias Rohling, FSSPX
2/24/2022 at 11:35 AM
Re: Ist Stefan Claesemann etc. Fortsetzung
Herzlichen Dank!

Ich weiß nun mal nicht wo Stefan Claesemann wohnt, außer auf FB steht "Hamburg". Selbst lebe ich in Paris.

Ich hätte nichts gegen einen Briefewechsel, aber würde mich dabei vorbehalten gelegentlich bei einer Uneinigkeit (und auch bei Einighkeit wenn Ihnen genehm, aber da ist kein Vorbehalt in dem Fall) den Briefewechsel auf meinen Blog copiieren zu können.

http://correspondentia-ioannis-georgii.blogspot.com/

Ich bin ehemahliger der FSSPX, immer noch einfacher Gläubiger, und will es bleiben, jetzt Anhänger an Pabst Michael (auch ehem. der FSSPX).

Was wollen Sie näher wissen?

Hans Georg Lundahl

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P. Matthias Rohling, FSSPX an mich
2/24/2022 at 2:34 PM
Re: Ist Stefan Claesemann etc. Fortsetzung
Sehr geehrter Hr. Lundahl,

Vielleicht können Sie Hr. Clasemann über FB direkt fragen, wo er zur Kirche geht? Wäre zumindest eine Idee...

Ich muss Ihnen auch gestehen - das habe ich dann in der Email doch noch vergessen, klar zu sagen - dass ich seinen und Ihren Text noch nicht gelesen habe, sodass ich gar nicht in der Lage bin, in dieser Sache Fragen stellen zu können. Sobald ich mich näher damit befasst haben werde und noch Fragen offen sind, würde ich mich dann wieder bei Ihnen melden. Bis dahin bitte ich Sie, keine Emails oder Briefe von mir zu veröffentlichen. Vielen Dank.

Alles Gute und Gottes Segen,

Ihr P. Roling

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Ich an P. Matthias Rohling, FSSPX
3/1/2022 at 11:31 AM
Re: Ist Stefan Claesemann etc. Fortsetzung
Ist Laetare-Sonntag eine gute Frist?

P. Matthias Rohling, FSSPX an mich
Ich an P. Matthias Rohling, FSSPX
P. Matthias Rohling, FSSPX an mich
Ich an P. Matthias Rohling, FSSPX
P. Matthias Rohling, FSSPX an mich

Friday, 4 March 2022

With Hugh Owen, Mainly on Improving Catholic Creation Research, but Also on My Situation


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HGL to Hugh Owen
12/27/2021 at 5:57 PM
Kennedy Report
I am watching Forrest Valkai trying to debunk a section of The Kennedy Report. Here is were I stopped Forrest Valkai's video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJnhRQjPD9U&t=1106s

Random mutations do not all look like what he saw on the orphanage.

a) Some mutations, while indeed losses of information, are nevertheless beneficial. FV could very easily give the example of lactase persistence, eye colour, skin colour, speed for accumulating fat and muscle ...
b) What he saw would normally have been not locus mutations, but "chromosome mutations" - things that change the karyotype, one of the best known examples of which is Downs, three chromosomes 21 instead of 2. And chromosome mutations are indeed handicap, cancer, death before birth (three examples of the latter : trisomy 1, trisomy 3, tetraploidy all over the karyotype - mortal unless mosaical, or chimeral). However, the guy from The Kennedy Report seemingly has no idea how this could be exploited in the question of rising number of chromosomes, among mammals, which is one of the implications of evolution.

To me it seems, the Catholic creationist movement is - as far as the human reason aspect is concerned - a joke. It's like picking Ray Comfort over Jonathan Sarfati - or the preachy over the exact.

I am not saying that the points in the video by the Kennedy report are in and of themselves bad, but the guy seems unable to properly defend them. They can perhaps not be disproven by good analysis, but they are easy to debunk by nitpicking and the guy is not ready to nitpick back or even better forestall nitpicking by actually giving a not just coherent, but also detailed and informed reason for his points.

Meanwhile, there is a Catholic creationist apologist whom you are boycotting. Me.

You will excuse me for not wishing you a blessed Christmastide, you knew me years ago, and your boycott has blighted part of mine, through the poverty I'm going through.

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Hugh Owen to HGL
12/27/2021 at 7:37 PM
Re: Kennedy Report
Dear Hans,

Christ is born! Glorify Him!

Thank you for getting in touch.

Kennedy Hall does not represent the Kolbe Center, so we cannot take responsibility for any weaknesses in his presentation. On the other hand, it sounds as if some of the main points he made are correct, even if he was not able to defend them against "nit-picking." I have not seen his video so I do not know. For example, to show that there are "beneficial" mutations does not disprove the truth of the claim that there are no examples of mutations that add new functional information to the genome of any plant, animal or human. If that claim is true--and it is--then all the nit-picking in the world cannot save biological evolution from bankruptcy.

In short, your statement that "the Catholic creationist movement is - as far as the human reason aspect is concerned - a joke," is unjust, since the materials on our website and the content of our DVD series have held up very well under criticism. For examples, please see the "Replies to Critics" section of our website, especially the Trialogue with the two Dominican priests, to see that our team defends the traditional teaching of the Church on creation much better than the Catholic defenders of progressive creation or theistic evolution, from the perspective of theology, philosophy and natural science.

Through the prayers of the Mother of God, may the Holy Ghost lead us all into all the Truth and may we all be saved souls together in Heaven!

In Domino,

Hugh Owen

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HGL to Hugh Owen
12/28/2021 at 10:50 AM
Re: Kennedy Report
A few replies:

"For example, to show that there are "beneficial" mutations does not disprove the truth of the claim that there are no examples of mutations that add new functional information to the genome of any plant, animal or human."

Very true. But unfortunately not what Kennedy was saying.

Some people have tried to figure out how mutations could do that. Jacques Monod in the early 70's conceded that one mutation would not bring about a new functional gene. But he was optimistic, it could happen if an offspring inherited a mutation from father and one from mother. I have pointed out that this cannot happen, since the mutations will be on two different chromosomes, therefore two different and non-combining versions of the old gene. I am reminded of how Rev. Houghton mentioned that the mention of chromosomes was banned from French science for c. 50 years, because they understood how it undermined evolution - something which I also used in context with chromosome numbers being different.

I decided to make two thought experiments on it and here these are:

What Could Irregular Deletions Do? · What About Pseudo-Genes Starting to Code?

"If that claim is true--and it is--then all the nit-picking in the world cannot save biological evolution from bankruptcy."

There is bankrupcy and bankrupcy. In the final three and a half years before Harmageddon, two men will be soundly bankrupt intellectually, but they won't quite be so mediatically - you know the two who get thrown alive into a lake of fire. I want a Catholic Creationist movement that is able to show itself able to nitpick and therefore bankrupt any nitpicker like Forrest Valkai. Here is how I come up against him, btw:

Watch Forrest Valkai on his Video from 17:00 to 18:00 · Debate with Shane Wilson and ReiperX

and Forrest Valkai to the Rescue of Radiometric Dating (Or Not?) · L M and Comparative Religion to the Rescue of Forrest Valkai? · subductionzone to the rescue of Forrest Valkai? Or Keith Levkoff? Deus-Stein? · How Carbon Dating is Done, Why My Calibration is Possible

"For examples, please see the "Replies to Critics" section of our website, especially the Trialogue with the two Dominican priests"

Ah, I found "answer to second question" on it ... I sent one of the two an answer on "fittingness of evolution". Do you have any similar with secularists? I have, not due to them agreeing in advance, but due to my hijacking our dialogues onto my blogs (like the one linked to).

"In short, your statement that "the Catholic creationist movement is - as far as the human reason aspect is concerned - a joke," is unjust,"

I must admit I have omitted looking at your work, since you decided to overlook mine on carbon dates, when you defended a Vulgate-Ussher timeline instead of a timeline with Roman martyrology for December 25th, which is what I use. It should therefore be taken, as perhaps excepting not just me, but also you.

Still, I think you could improve if you took a bit of my materials too.

That said, in a more charitable mood, this time: Merry Christmas!

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Hugh Owen to HGL
12/28/2021 at 5:09 PM
Re: Kennedy Report
Dear Hans,

Christ is born! Glorify Him!

First things first: How is your mother doing? I have been keeping her in my prayers.

Thank you for your replies.

Please forgive me for not getting back to you about your work on C-14 dating. If I could trouble you to send it to me again, I will ask the member of our team who is in charge of that project to look at it carefully.

After we have looked at your work on C-14 dating, we can take up the pros and cons of the chronology derived from the Septuagint vs. the one derived from the numbers in the Hebrew text of the Bible that St. Jerome used in the Vulgate.

I am going to recommend to Kennedy Hall that he ask one of our leadership team members who has expertise in biology to do an interview with him and answer the critics. Hopefully, he will do so.

In Domino,

Hugh Owen

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HGL to Hugh Owen
12/28/2021 at 6:09 PM
Re: Kennedy Report
She was sending me a letter a few weeks ago, and I haven't received it.

Material on C-14, perhaps not identic to previous: Have you Really Taken ALL the Factors into Account? · New Tables · Why Should one Use my Tables? · And what are the lineups between archaeology and Bible, in my tables? · Bases of C14 · An example of using previous · Difference with Carbon 14 from Other Radioactive Methods

LXX / Roman martyrology vs later Hebrew texts (Vulgate, Masoretic), see my answer to CMI : Resp. to Carter / Cosner : In the Lifetime of Josephus
As well as my background story for Roman martyrology of December 25th, credits to my friend Stephan Borgehammar, a Church historian : Background to Christmas Martyrology · What Martyrology, by the way?

So, St. Jerome is equally responsible for the chronology of the martyrology (LXX without second Cainan) and for the Latin text with another chronology.

Your recommendations to Kennedy Hall are very appreciated.

Chromosome numbers, first published on Communities dot com · · · Undisputed facts · Hypothesis I · Hypothesis II · Hypothesis III · Hypothesis IV · Overall criticism

Update on Chromosome numbers · · · Talkorigins explains on human-chimp situation · my footnotes on this post · a little excursus on French language history

Speciation observed - but not in mammals · · · a wannna-read

Non-replies · · · comments part on non-replies, mostly links about chromosomal polymorphism

Chromosome numbers - the summing up · · · Kent Hovind's list of chromosome numbers of different species, plus one other link Comments part

Updated : Was I wrong on Karyograms?
Other : Microbes to Man - Happening Before Our Eyes?

Would that be some help?

Hans Georg Lundahl

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HGL to Hugh Owen
12/28/2021 at 7:04 PM
Re: Kennedy Report
Dear Hans,

Pax Christi!

That is a very rich collection of information!

We will try to be systematic and work our way through the various articles.

We will begin with the articles on C-14 which I will forward to our main expert in that area.

Please be patient with us, but we will get back to you this time!

In Domino,

Hugh Owen

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Hugh Owen to HGL
12/28/2021 at 7:08 PM
Re: Kennedy Report
Dear Hans,

Pax Christi!

When we try to open the files on C-14, Webroot tells us that the site is dangerous. Have you had any problems with site security?

Can you suggest another way to access the C-14 material?

In Domino,

Hugh Owen

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HGL to Hugh Owen
12/29/2021 at 6:36 PM
Re: Kennedy Report
No, I can't suggest any other way to access it.

Try to go to a cyber, ignore webroot and try there.

Either way, get used to such things abusively warning for sites that are NOT dangerous.

I have had the cyber site of a city near Paris block all of blogspot.com because it contains the letter sequence blogs pot .com and in French "pot" is not often used for flower pot or chamber pot, it's just slang for "weed".

Hans Georg Lundahl

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Hugh Owen to HGL
12/29/2021 at 11:22 PM
Re: Kennedy Report
Dear Hans,

Pax Christi!

I have asked my webmaster to help me access the content of your website safely.

I am sure that he will be able to do so.

In Domino,

Hugh

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HGL to Hugh Owen
12/30/2021 at 12:43 PM
Re: Kennedy Report
Thank you in advance!

You might be saving me a lot of trouble, if you get to it soon./HGL

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HGL to Hugh Owen
1/7/2022 at 3:10 PM
Hello, have the IT specialists resolved the problem, yet?
I should have been hearing some from you or the carbon experts, I feel?

If they are confused about sth, it could be the thing I deal with here:

My C14 Calibration, Has it Any Stability? · 670 Actual Years = 32 000 or 4000 Carbon Years? Both.

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HGL to Hugh Owen
1/7/2022 at 3:44 PM
webroot
look at this form:

https://www.brightcloud.com/tools/change-request.php

I found it on the site of webroot.

Someone manually would have put my blog URL on a "dangerous" category./HGL

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Hugh Owen to HGL
1/7/2022 at 6:34 PM
Re: webroot
Dear Brother Hans,

Pax Christi!

I finally had to have our webmaster send me the files. I then forwarded them to our expert in C-14 dating. He has a lot of irons in the fire, so please be patient. We will get back to you as soon as we can.

Your Mom is in my prayers. Are you able to visit her?

In Domino,

Hugh Owen

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HGL to Hugh Owen
1/7/2022 at 7:20 PM
Re: webroot
My mom is in Malmö. I am in Paris. 1249 km.

Travelling is restricted with mask and perhaps now even pass mandates.

I don't have a friend with a car who's willing to go, as far as I know./HGL

Wednesday, 2 March 2022

Kevin R. Henke's Essay: Alexander the Great (356-323 BC) and the Talking Snake of Genesis 3: History?


Kevin R. Henke Hans Georg Lundahl
Kevin R. Henke's Essay: Alexander the Great (356-323 BC) and the Talking Snake of Genesis 3: History?
Four Hypotheses of Kevin R. Henke for Historicity of Genesis 3
On Verifying the Supernatural
Several Types of "Supernatural" Featured in Stories Believed to be True
Two Arguments for Alexander that Atheists (and Likeminded) Should Not Use - Or Three
Undecisives
Real Confirmation : Too Late and Too Little Outside Greco-Roman Sphere
The Real Reason Why we Can and Could All the Time Say we Know Alexander's Carreer


Alexander the Great (356-323 BC) and the Talking Snake of Genesis 3: History?
Kevin R. Henke, Ph.D. March 1, 2022

BACKGROUND

My Standards on Evaluating History: Both Human and Natural

I recognize that past events really can’t be proven. Proof is more in the realm of mathematics rather than history or science. Nevertheless, I tend to rank claims about historical events as: 1) highly probable or beyond a reasonable doubt, 2) probable, 3) plausible, 4) unlikely or 5) highly unlikely (probably false or myth). My level of skepticism of events and individuals varies and would be classified in the categories of plausible, unlikely or highly unlikely. In these situations, I tend to ask myself: which is more probable that the event actually occurred or that someone just made it up?

As I previously stated, I do not automatically reject secular histories that were written centuries after the described events. However, until I receive good external confirmation, I tend to be skeptical of a given claim in an ancient history, such as Arrian’s The Anabasis of Alexander. Similarly, I tend to be skeptical of the historical claims in the Bible and other religious works until I get external confirmation. For a given claim in these documents, I want to see external evidence that is contemporary with the event or in the lifetime of the individual, such as inscriptions or documents. Depending on the circumstances, I might carefully give some credence to evidence from artifacts from a few decades after the event or the death of individual. For example, if an artist or writer knew the subject of his work and did a painting or sculpture within a few decades of the subject’s death that might be acceptable enough evidence.

Of course, a document, inscription or other written record must be accurately dated to ensure that it was written at the time of the event or when the subject lived. This is usually not easy. The verb tense or other indications in the text may indicate that it’s an official record that was written at or during the time of the event or the reign of a king. Paleography is usually not very accurate and requires other well-dated written documents as standards. With standards that have fixed dates, paleography can restrict the date of a document to within a century or perhaps a few decades (e.g., Orsini and Clarysse 2012 – New Testament paleography). Radiocarbon dating is a destructive process and often does not give precise enough results for historians anyway.

External evidence will vary with the century, culture and technology. In the past 200-300 years, potentially suitable external evidence to confirm the existence of an individual or an event could include tombstones, contemporary paintings and photographs, other artifacts and a variety of contemporary and official public documents, such as census records, birth certificates, marriage certificates, death certificates, tax records, real estate transactions, wills, etc. Because of the possibility that some of these records could be forged, multiple public records should be available to verify the existence of an individual or event. I fully recognize that these types of public records are either totally or nearly absent in ancient history, but multiple examples of these types of records are valuable for verifying the existence of an individual and his/her migrations in the US from the 17th to 21st centuries. As I stated earlier, family records (trees) and DNA evidence are also important in confirming these records.

In the remote past of centuries or thousands of years ago, the quality and quantity of data become far less common. However, for kings and famous military leaders, there still may be inscriptions in temples and other buildings; contemporary statues, paintings, coins and mosaics; and other evidence that demonstrates that they existed or were present at a specific location.

If multiple claims in an ancient document, such as Anabasis of Alexander or 2 Kings in the Bible, have been reasonably verified by external evidence, then my skepticism of the document is reduced and I’m more likely to think that other claims in these documents are plausible. For example, the inscriptions in the Annuals of Sennacherib confirms King Sennacherib of Assyria’s successful attack on Judah during the reign of King Hezekiah as described in 2 Kings 18:13 (https://biblearchaeologyreport.com/2019/10/04/king-hezekiah-an-archaeological-biography/). Although this does not mean that I should automatically trust everything in 2 Kings, it does indicate that I would take other claims in 2 Kings more seriously. I could then look for additional evidence that either collaborates or fails to support other statements in 2 Kings. Thus, for an unsupported claim in Anabasis of Alexander or 2 Kings, I would still want additional external evidence before I would be willing to elevate my classification of the claim from plausible to probable or even beyond a reasonable doubt.

While one individual, Arrian, may have written The Anabasis of Alexander over a short period of time, the Bible was written by numerous authors over a much longer period of time. So, just because archeologists have discovered inscriptions that confirm the existence of Hezekiah and other kings mentioned in 2 Kings that does not mean that events and people mentioned in Exodus and Genesis can be trusted.

In geology, we are more fortunate than most archeologists and historians. If there are controversies about a basalt in an outcrop and as long as it’s not on the Moon, North Korea or some other inaccessible location, we can usually gather more samples, look at the rocks below and above and laterally from the basalt, run more tests, and perhaps answer the questions. Unless new discoveries are made, historians and archeologists are often stuck with what they’ve got.

I fully recognize that my standards for accepting claims about natural or human history are probably too stringent for the official procedures used by archeologists, historians and definitely for apologists of the Bible. But that’s too bad for them and I’m not going to lower my standards to appease their religious, political and academic agendas. My standards are high and based on the scientific method and those used by geologists. My standards work for natural history and I see no reason to lower them for human history. Yes, my approach is very conservative and would lead to more false negatives than other approaches; that is, I would have the tendency to be more skeptical of a lot of historical claims that historians, Christian apologists or archeologists would accept as “fact.” However, I think that this is the right approach to avoid accepting bad claims as “history.” I also recognize that very little human history will ever reach my standard of confidence, but I think quality evidence is better than quantity of claims. Most human history is never recorded anyway.

The Supernatural

I define a supernatural act or “magic” as a feat that violates the laws of chemistry and/or physics. Such a supernatural feat could also be called a miracle. For our everyday macroscopic world, the laws of physics would include Newtonian physics for the most part rather than Einsteinian Relativity. The laws of Chemistry are based on atomic theory. Obviously, as our knowledge of chemistry and physics grows, my views of what is supernatural, artificial and natural might change. However, even with the advent of Einsteinian physics, Newton’s laws still widely apply in our Universe.

I would define a supernatural being as an individual or thing that is capable of performing supernatural acts or has bodily structures that are inconsistent with biology. Examples would include gods, angels, the Talking Snake, fire-breathing dragons, and trees that produce fruit that can increase lifespans and mental abilities with one bite. Also, if a “prophet of God” actually and demonstrably turns lead into gold in violation of the laws of chemistry or levitates against the law of gravity, I would accept that as evidence of the supernatural, and I would have to recognize that this individual has real supernatural abilities. Unlike other secularists, I’m unlikely to move the goal posts to redefine a truly verified miracle, if it ever occurs, as part of a new still totally naturalistic worldview. So, from what we know about the intelligence and the inability of snakes and other reptiles to speak, if a snake starts having a conversation with me and other witnesses, I would have to change my skeptical views of Genesis 3. We also don’t expect the fruit of trees to immediately and substantially increase the mental abilities and lifespans of humans beings with just one bite. If science verifies that such trees exist, I would again have to reduce or even eliminate my skepticism of Genesis 3. Until I actually have definitive evidence of the supernatural, I will not say that miracles are impossible. However, I will automatically classify any supernatural claim as highly unlikely; this would include the Talking Snake of Genesis, as well as the claim that Romulus was born of a virgin. Again, I’m not saying that miracles and supernatural beings are impossible, but I’m saying that they’re highly unlikely until we get good evidence for them. I have yet to see any definitive evidence of any supernatural event or being, but I’m open-minded as long as my standards are met. I will not lower my standards for any religious, political or other agenda. I fully recognize that this is very difficult for my opponents to meet. However, that’s too bad for them. I won’t lower my standards to help them. They must find some way of meeting my standards if they want me to accept their claims. If they meet my standards, I will change my mind and admit that I’m wrong. Again, these are my standards and I don’t speak for other secularists.

In addition, there are claims of natural and not necessarily supernatural creatures where the evidence of their existence is either inadequate or nonexistent, such as Bigfoot, Nessie or the Cyclops. Claims for their existence are either based on personal testimony or ancient written records, which, so far, have been untrustworthy. Although their existence is naturally possible, we currently have no physical evidence of their existence. The presentation of a living example or a dead body that can be examined for authenticity, such as a Bigfoot, would be enough to demonstrate that they exist.

My Agnosticism

Although I don’t believe in Zeus, Thor and other specific gods, I am an agnostic about generic God(s). Although I don’t find the evidence totally convincing, I see some evidence in Intelligent Design arguments, which may indicate that one or more Gods could have created the Universe and possibly life on Earth. If these God(s) exist, I suspect that they are totally or largely Deistic. In other words, if they exist, they are probably impersonal. I see no evidence for answered prayers or an afterlife. However, if someone actually demonstrates that prayer can raise the dead or restore a severed limb, then I must recognize that one or more personal Divine Beings exist.

My willingness to consider the possibility of God(s) creating the Universe or life is not a god-of-the gaps (i.e., God did it!) fallacy because I’m only saying that it’s a possibility and not definite. Nevertheless, I see the origin and geological history of the Earth as being totally explained by natural processes without the need for supernatural intervention.

I am also a “weak” and not a “strong” agnostic. That is, I only speak for myself. I recognize that others may have had a definite vision or personal encounter with God or gods. I don’t know if their personal experiences with God or gods are real. I suspect that Kat Kerr is delusional or lying when she says that she has seen Jesus’ Candyland in Heaven.

As for the existence of other supernatural beings, such as fairies, a Talking Snake, Tiamat, witches with supernatural powers, sirens, fairies, ghosts, angels, and other magical creatures my doubts are even stronger. I see absolutely no evidence for them. Until a claim about them actually has some evidence, I won’t accept their existence. However, if someone eventually comes forward with evidence for demons, Talking Snakes, fairies, witches, and other supernatural beings, I’ll simply change my mind and admit that I’m wrong. Until at least some evidence that can be totally verified under strict scientific conditions, I will not accept their existence. Eyewitness testimonies under uncontrolled conditions are not good enough evidence for me. I totally recognize that this could mean that I end up rejecting valid claims for the existence of a supernatural event or being, but that’s not my problem. It’s the problem of those that advocate for their existence. I also fully recognize that believers in the supernatural will find my standards essentially impossible to meet or, as you have said, no one can locate and excavate the Garden of Eden. However, that’s your problem. You have the burden of evidence for claiming that supernatural beings exist and that supernatural events occur or have occurred. You will need to somehow produce evidence for a Talking Snake. Even if it’s essentially impossible for you to do so, I will not lower my standards.

INVESTIGATION OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT

My Proposal on Alexander the Great

My proposal or hypothesis for testing the existence of Alexander the Great is very conservative. I simply propose that Alexander the Great was:

1. a human being that lived in the 4th century BC and not a mythical or fictional being.

2. he was a military leader that had an extraordinary political effect over a wide region of at least the Middle East.


Again, I don’t expect to “prove” these statements, but only show that they are either probable or beyond a reasonable doubt. That is, as a scientist, I don’t claim ultimate proof. However, some claims are so well verified that I would identify them as demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt. If these two claims are demonstrated to be probable or even beyond a reasonable doubt, then I could look at other claims made about Alexander in the works of Arrian, Curtius Rufus, Plutarch, etc. and possibly test them with external evidence. I also fully recognize that my very conservative and cautious approach will at least initially overlook many of his detailed accomplishments and underestimate Alexander the Great’s influence in his society. But, I want to be slow and cautious.

McDaniel (2019)

McDaniel (2019) at https://talesoftimesforgotten.com/2019/06/14/what-evidence-is-there-for-the-existence-of-alexander-the-great-quite-a-lot/ is a response to archskeptics that claim that Alexander the Great never existed at all. She presents some relevant evidence that Alexander the Great was an actual military leader and king, which is exactly what I want to demonstrate. If her claims actually had been thorough and totally reliable and if she had properly referenced her claims with peer-reviewed science journals, I could have just linked to her essay and declared that archeology effectively supplements the Roman histories and demonstrates my proposal to be probable or even beyond a reasonable doubt. Nevertheless, no one is perfect and I have found a number of errors and inadequacies in her article. First of all, it’s poorly referenced. Wikipedia links aren’t good enough. We don’t know if she got her statements from reliable sources or not. Thus, her claims need to be verified with other sources and even if she had referenced her claims, I would still have needed to check those references to make sure that she properly cited them. Furthermore, it’s possible that other researchers have proposed opposing and alternative explanations to her claims. Secondly, when I checked her claims, I found that she had made some errors. Now, I fully recognize, as she stated in her essay, that she could not discuss all of the evidence for the existence of Alexander the Great in a brief article. Yet, I found some important details about the artifacts and the life of Alexander the Great that she did not discuss, which I think deserve mentioning. Although I don’t see any need to comment on some of her claims, there are cases where I will further discuss the issues that she raises, correct her errors when I can, and present additional relevant information that she did not mention. Nevertheless, McDaniel (2019) made a good start and her essay is a valuable guide on where to start looking for contemporary evidence about the life of Alexander the Great.

Ancient Histories

McDaniel (2019) lists five ancient historians that produced works that discuss Alexander the Great, which are (various spellings): Diodorous Siculus, Quintus Curtius Rufus, Arrianos (Arrian), Plutarch, and Justin’s work based on an earlier work by Trogus. In her opinion, the works by Arrianos and Diodoros are most reliable. If it could be shown that these historians were independent of each other and if they had reliable sources, then we would have reason to place greater confidence in their claims even without any external evidence. Furthermore, if one author writes a positive biography on a leader and another writes a negative one, we might have more confidence if they both agree that the leader was involved in a battle at particular time and location. So, independent or competing written accounts can certainly improve the confidence that an event occurred or an individual actually existed. However, demonstrating that two accounts are truly independent is not easy unless they are well-dated records, such as any observations of a comet from 10th century China and central Europe.

Nevertheless, too often ancient authors fail to list their sources. Furthermore, they may be relying on each other or burrowing information from the same erroneous sources. So, in most cases, we will need external evidence to confirm their claims. Again, once several claims made by a particular historian have been confirmed by reliable external evidence, I can have greater, but not absolute, confidence in their other statements.

Although these five works were written centuries after the lifetime of Alexander the Great, they can still be used as guides to test their accuracy with archeology and other scientific results. For example, when Arrian says that Alexander the Great saw a lunar eclipse within the month of the Battle of Gaugamela, as discussed below, we could look for Babylonian tablets and use archeoastronomy calculations to confirm the time and date of the eclipse. Thus, statements in these histories might give us value clues on where to dig (sometimes literally) for more evidence about Alexander the Great.

At the same time, we have to be initially skeptical about written documents. As you know, any literate individual can write anything. Just because something is written down does not mean that it happened. As I’ve stated before, the history of the Mormon Church teaches us that it’s very possible for large numbers of people to believe in fabrications in a short period of time. I also see no reason to be superstitious and invoke demonic activity to explain the origin of the Mormon Golden Plates, especially when human lies and deception are adequate enough explanations. Thus, documents, like the book of Mormon, have the capability of deceiving thousands or even millions within a few decades after the fabrications. Certainly, claims in the literature must be verified with external evidence.

Contemporary Administrative Document from Bactria

https://www.khalilicollections.org/collections/aramaic-documents/khalili-collection-aramaic-documents-a-long-list-of-supplies-disbursed-ia17/

This is a link that shows an administrative document, identified as sample C4, which states that it was written starting on 15 Sivan in the 7th year of “Alexandros” and then extending over the next three months. This date, which is June 8, 324 BC, is based on when Alexander ascended the throne in Babylon and not Macedonia (Naveh and Shaked 2006, pp. 199, 206). The document deals with the distribution of supplies. It is one of 30 administrative documents all written in Official Aramaic from the province of Bactria in central Asia. Some of the other documents in the collection mention Artaxerxes III, Artaxerxes V, Bessus, and Darius III. Naveh and Shaked (2006, pp. 15-19) discuss the paleography of this and the 29 related documents and the cities in Bactria where they might have been written. Naveh and Shaked (2006, p. 15) indicate that the Official Aramaic script is from the late Achaemenian period and into the time of Alexander the Great. Of the 30 documents, 29 are confirmed to be from the 4th century BC. The 30th document is fragmentary, but the writing suggests that it may be from the first half of the 5th century BC (Naveh and Shaked 2006, p. 16).

Document C4 by itself indicates that it was written in Bactria during the 7th year of the reign of “Alexandros” – a king with a Greek name. The paleography of C4 and associated documents confirms that they were written in the 4th century BC. This is an excellent example of a contemporary document.

Gaugamela Campaign and a Lunar Eclipse

Although they rely on the writings of Arrian, Plutarch, Curtius Rufus, and other ancient accounts to partially understand Alexander the Great’s route to Gaugamela and Arbela, Marciak et al. (2020a) is also a good example of a research team using archeological and other scientific evidence to provide specific dates for Alexander the Great’s campaigns when the accounts in the ancient histories of Arrian, Plutarch and others are inadequate and even contradictory. The second article by Marciak et al. (2020b) is an erratum for Marciak et al. (2020a). However, it only deals with some omitted affiliations of the authors and omission of their acknowledgements, and nothing serious.

In their investigation to determine the exact date for the Battle of Gaugamela, Marciak et al. (2020a, p. 537) state:

“The exact date of the Battle of Gaugamela has long been contentious because it cannot be unambiguously fixed based only on information proved by classical writers. Only two classical sources about the Battle of Gaugamela provide us with relatively detailed chronological references – Arrian and Plutarch. However, upon consideration, they turn out to contradict each other.”


So, Arrian, Plutarch and other ancient histories aren’t good enough by themselves to specifically date this battle. They need archeological and other scientific evidence to provide details and clear up contradictions.

Arrian (3.15.7) states that Alexander’s victory at the Battle of Gaugamela occurred in the same month as a near-total lunar eclipse (Marciak et al. 2020a, p. 538). To resolve the dating inconsistencies and contradictions in the works of Arrian and Plutarch, Marciak et al. (2020a, pp. 538-539) reviewed the dates of the events from two cuneiform tablets in the British Museum and results from the Babylonian Astronomical Diaries for that time (Hunger and Sachs 1988). In the Astronomical Diaries, the Babylonians made daily astronomical observations and noted celestial events. Now, the two tablets are not ideal and were probably not contemporary with Alexander, but they were closer to the events than the ancient histories. Marcia et al. (2020a, p. 539) refer to the tablets and state:

“The tablets in question were definitely written after the described events (as their narrative continues until Seleucid times). The tablets refer to the battle as ‘raising the standard’ by Alexander (who is named ‘king of the world’) and date it to the 24th day of the sixth month (Ululu) in the fifth year of the reign of King Darius (III). This reference can be transferred into the modern Gregorian calendar as October 1, 331 BC. Furthermore, the tablets also record two other interesting events directly preceding the battle – an outbreak of panic in the camp of the (Persian) king on the eleventh day of the sixth month (Ululu) and a lunar eclipse on the thirteenth day of that month.” [reference numbers omitted]


Using the two Babylonian tablets and the Astronomical Diaries, Marciak et al. (2020a, pp. 538-539) were able to derive more precise and consistent dates than what could be derived from Arrian and Plutarch alone. Their results are September 18, 331 BC for the panic, which they think probably coincided with Alexander’s crossing of the Tigris River, the lunar eclipse was on September 20, 331 BC and the Battle of Gaugamela occurred on October 1, 331 BC. Marciak et al. (2020a, pp. 539-543) then correct and reconcile the accounts in Arrian and others with their results. In another study, Polcaro et al (2008) used an astronomy computer program to confirm that the lunar eclipse would have been visible in the region where Alexander the Great, his troops and his opponents were located shortly before the Battle of Gaugamela and that it would also have been observed by the Babylonian astronomers on the evening of September 20, 331 BC.

Babylonian Cuneiform Tablets

McDaniel (2019) mentions two other Babylonian cuneiform tablets associated with Alexander the Great: The Chronicle Concerning Alexander and Arabia and the Alexander Chronicle. According to McDaniel (2019), the tablets are contemporary and describe the last few years of the reign of Alexander the Great, including a description of Alexander’s victory at Gaugamela about one year after it happened.

However, the contents of the two tablets are not very well preserved and the conclusions are not as definitive as McDaniel (2019) claims. The content of the Chronicle Concerning Alexander and Arabia, also called BCHP 2 and BM 41080, is especially not very well preserved.
https://www.livius.org/sources/content/mesopotamian-chronicles-content/bchp-2-alexander-and-arabia-chronicle/#:~:text=The%20Babylonian%20Chronicle%20concerning%20Alexander,Macedonian%20king%20Alexander%20the%20Great

The reverse side of the tablet is not preserved at all and the above website admits:

“This fragment probably deals with the second entry of Alexander the Great into the city of Babylon in 323 BCE, but the condition of the tablet hardly allows firm conclusions.”


The contents of the Alexander Chronicle are more definitive. The Alexander Chronicle, also identified as ABC 8, BCHP 1 and BM 36304, clearly refers to Alexander and his troops and king Darius (https://www.livius.org/sources/content/mesopotamian-chronicles-content/bchp-1-alexander-chronicle/). Nevertheless, parts of the tablet are damaged and some details are difficult to follow.

Alexander’s Letter to the Chians

The letter from Alexander the Great to the people of Chios is an inscription on a limestone slab. It’s currently in a museum on the Greek island of Chios. McDaniel (2019) does not discuss this artifact. The inscription is in the present tense and refers to Alexander as the king (Heisserer 1973, p. 192). Heisserer (1973) discusses the dating of the slab. Some scholars think that the slab refers to events recorded by Arrian and should date to the late summer of 332 BC. Heisserer (1973, pp. 192-193) also uses Arrian and other ancient references, but disagrees. He thinks that it’s more consistent with Alexander’s attitude towards the city of Ephesos in 334 BC.

Certainly, Heisserer (1973) and his references depend on Arrian’s work. However, this is an example of where an artifact helps to confirm the claims in Arrian about Alexander. Heisserer (1973) also discusses some of the characteristics of the Greek lettering on the slab. So, potentially, the Greek vocabulary and paleography might also confirm the age of the slab. However, Heisserer (1973) and his colleagues seem confident that the slab dates from 334 to 332 BC and was from Alexander the Great.

Priene Inscription in the Temple of Athena Polias

McDaniel (2019) mentions the Priene inscription in the Athena Polias Temple. The inscription says that “King Alexander dedicated this temple to Athena Polis” ( https://www.livius.org/pictures/turkey/priene/priene-temple-of-athena-polias/priene-temple-of-athena-polias-alexander-inscription/ ). McDaniel (2019) states that the inscription dates to about 330 BC. However, other references state that its date is not that exact. The livius website linked above dates the inscription to 332-323 BC. Others have dated the inscription from 334 to 306 BC (Paganoni 2017). Sherwin-White (1985) is a researcher that thinks that the inscription was created after the death of Alexander during the reign of Lysimachus. Lysimachus lived from about 360 to 281 BC. That is, he lived during and long after the lifetime of Alexander the Great.

Contemporary Egyptian Inscriptions

McDaniel (2019) mentions the Egyptian hieroglyph showing Alexander the Great addressing the god Min in the Luxor Temple in Egypt. According to McDaniel (2019), the inscription dates to about 332 BC. Additionally, Bosch-Puche (2013) and Bosch-Puche and Moje (2015) lists numerous examples of contemporary Egyptian inscriptions referring to Alexander the Great during his reign. Dates for the inscriptions are often included. For example, Bosche-Puche and Moje (2015) list the dates of the 22 inscriptions. One inscription has an uncertain range of dates from 332-323 BC. The other 21 inscriptions tend to have dates that are quite specific and range from about 331 BC to 12 April – 11 May 327 BC.

Coins Minted during the Reign of Alexander the Great

McDaniel (2019) mentions that numerous coins were minted during the reign of Alexander the Great and after his death. Kontes (2000) further states that the posthumous minting of the coins continued for about two decades after Alexander died. Thousands of the coins still exist today (Kontes 2000).

McDaniel (2019), however, incorrectly states that the coins show Alexander’s face on them. Most experts think that the faces on the coins, such as those shown in the figures in McDaniel (2019), represent Hercules wearing a lion skin. The seated figure on the reverse side is Zeus (Kontes 2000; Gatzke 2021, pp. 98-99). Gatzke (2021) suggests reasons why Alexander the Great used the image of Hercules on his coins. Gatzke (2021, p. 103) concludes:

“Because Alexander’s extensive minting and distribution of the beardless Heracles-type had established it as the most recognizable and acceptable currency of the period from the eastern Mediterranean to India, it is no surprise that in the years following Alexander’s death, as his successors struggled for political dominance and control of his empire, they maintained this coinage. The widespread and recognizable coin type provided them with the appearance of economic and political continuity in an otherwise unstable new world.”


Scholars discovered that the minting patterns and other characteristics of the coins allowed them to distinguish early from later coins, establish a general chronology and determine where the coins were minted (Kontes 2000). Kontes (2000) further discusses how the patterns and scripts on the coins changed during the years of the reign of Alexander the Great and with the mint. Price (1991) presents further details on the characteristics of the coins. I also fully recognize that mythical beings, such as Hercules or Harry Potter, sometimes appear on coins. My point is - it’s often not the image on the coin that is important, but who had the power and wealth to issue the coins.

As discussed by Kontes (2000), Price (1991) and their references, there are certainly controversies over when Alexander began minting his coins during his reign, exactly when certain mints began to operate, and other details. However, they all agree that Alexander the Great had a large number of coins minted in his lifetime. Kallithrakas-Kontos et al. (2000, p. 342) states that Alexander the Great established at least 31 mints in his Empire between 334 and 323 BC.

Kallithrakas-Kontos et al. (2000) performed trace element analyses on silver coins minted in Macedonia during and after the reign of Alexander the Great. As a comparison, analyses were also done on two Babylonian coins. The analyses used energy dispersive X-ray fluorescence (EDXRF), which has the advantages of being non-destructive of the coins and it can simultaneously and accurately measure low concentrations of trace elements that are common in silver coins (Kallithrakas-Kontos et al. 2000, p. 343). The concentrations of trace elements, especially bismuth and copper, are important in identifying the location where the silver was mined, in distinguishing the coins from different mints and it can also provide evidence in identifying posthumous coins (Kallithrakas-Kontos et al. 2000, pp. 346-348). Initially, the dates and minting locations of the coins were determined by numismatists Price, Le Rider and Troxwell. A bismuth to copper plot was able to distinguish the coins into two groups. The high bismuth group were mostly associated with the Amphipolis mint in Macedonia and 13 of the 14 posthumous coins formed as distinctly separate high bismuth and high copper subgroup (Kallithrakas-Kontos et al. 2000, pp. 346-347). The low bismuth group contained four coins from Amphipolis and two from Babylon. Kallithrakas-Kontos et al. 2000, p. 348) then conclude:

“For most of them [the coins] the [analytical] results agree with the archeological attribution of the coins. In cases, where there is ambiguity in the archeological characterization, the bismuth-copper data can be used as further evidence.”


I won’t go into further detail about the discussions in these various documents. If you’re interested, you can read them for yourselves. The point is, that science helps to confirm that numerous coins were minted in Macedonia and throughout Alexander’s empire during his lifetime, which further indicates that he was a real and wealthy leader with extensive power and influence. He was not just a local ruler in Greece.

Alexander Sarcophagus

McDaniel (2019) states:

“Another piece of archaeological evidence of Alexander the Great’s exploits is the famed Alexander Sarcophagus, a remarkably well-preserved Hellenistic marble sarcophagus from Sidon dating to the fourth century BC, within a few decades of Alexander the Great’s lifetime. The carvings on the sarcophagus depict Alexander the Great’s conquests.”


She further mentions that the Sarcophagus is currently located in the Istanbul Archaeological Museum.

McDaniel’s statements on the Alexander Sarcophagus are generally accurate and Heckel (2006) presents additional information on it. Heckel (2006, p. 385) states that the style of the artwork on the Sarcophagus dates to the last third of the 4th century or as McDaniel (2019) states “…within a few decades of Alexander the Great’s lifetime.”

Although the Sarcophagus is decorated with scenes involving Alexander the Great (Heckel 2006), it did not contain the body of Alexander. The ultimate fate of Alexander the Great’s body is unknown, although scholars like, Chugg (2002), have their convictions. The Sarcophagus gets its name from its artwork of Alexander the Great’s achievements.

Traditionally, most scholars thought that the sarcophagus was the resting place of Abdalonymus, who was installed as King of Sidon in late 333 or early 332 BC (Heckel 2006, p. 385). However, there are a number of controversies associated with Abdalonymus. First of all, we’re not certain if Alexander the Great himself or someone else installed Abdalonymus as king (Heckel 2006, p. 385). Secondly, Heckel (2006, pp. 386-388) is skeptical that Abdalonymus is represented in any of the artwork and that his body was placed in the Sarcophagus.

Tyre Land Bridge

McDaniel’s statements on the Tyre land bridge are brief and generally accurate. Marriner et al. (2007), Marriner et al. (2008) and Nir (1996) further discuss the geology of the land bridge, how Alexander and his troops probably constructed it, and how nature has modified it over time. Marriner et al. (2008) contains numerous radiocarbon dates, but none of them appear relevant to when Alexander the Great constructed the land bridge.

Conclusions about Alexander the Great

The ancient histories on Alexander the Great by Arrian, Plutarch, and others are extremely valuable. However, these histories cannot be taken at face value. Marciak et al. (2020a) and other researchers demonstrate that these histories are not infallible and that archeological and other scientific evidence is often required to supplement, correct and clarify their claims. The scientific data confirms that Alexander the Great had great influence over a wide region, including Greece, Central Asia and Egypt. The enormous number of coins minted in his name further demonstrate his wealth and economic power. The evidence overwhelming confirms my hypothesis on the existence of Alexander the Great and refutes any archskeptics that might say that he did not exist.

TALKING SNAKE IN GENESIS 3

Unlike the archeology and other evidence for the existence of Alexander the Great, there’s not a shred of external evidence for the existence of the Talking Snake in Genesis 3. Now, I’m not going to wade into the controversy about the authorship of the Pentateuch and the Documentary Hypothesis. Any proponent claiming that Genesis 3 is history would have to deal with that.

We simply don’t know who wrote Genesis 3 and when they wrote it. As I mentioned before, there are scraps of Genesis in the Dead Sea Scrolls, but they don’t appear to include chapter 3. Now, several hypotheses could be proposed to explain the origin of the Talking Snake story:

1. The Talking Snake existed and the account in Genesis 3 was accurately passed down by Adam to Moses. Moses then wrote it down in Genesis. There would have been no human eyewitnesses for most of the events in Genesis 1-2:14. If Genesis 1-2:14 is history, God would have to have given the information in these verses as visions.

2. Moses saw Genesis 1-3 and perhaps most or even all of everything else in Genesis through visions given by God. There didn’t need to be a continuous human transmission of information from Adam to Moses. Visions from God would not be open to errors unlike written or oral transmissions from Adam to Moses.

3. The Talking Snake of Genesis 3 was part of a made-up campfire story, a parable or based on a pagan myth that eventually was taken as fact by the ancient Israelites, like how President Reagan and his fans mistook fictional stories from World War 2 as real. William Tell (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/in-search-of-william-tell-2198511/ ) and a number of Roman Catholic saints (https://listverse.com/2014/05/17/10-beloved-saints-with-fictitious-biographies/ ) are probably also myths. Of course, in the United States, pro-abortionists regularly use fictional TV shows to convince Americans that abortion is a good thing. Even though they are fiction, many people believe the propaganda. Right now, a lot of Russians are believing the fictional propaganda their government is inventing about Ukraine. People also often pick and choose parts of fictional stories that they want to believe and ignore the rest, such as individuals believing in the existence of “The Force” from the Star Wars movies, while recognizing that the rest of the movies are fiction. A lot of people are gullible and believe fictions are real.

4. “Prophets” or others claimed to have visions from God about events that supposedly happened thousands of years earlier. These visions were delusions or outright lies, but a lot of people came to believe them. Joseph Smith also did this and Kat Kerr continues with this nonsense in the US.


No doubt, other hypotheses could be proposed and you are certainly welcome to add to this list. From your email on February 14, 2022 at 7:27 am Eastern US time and again on February 21, 2022 at 9:44 am Eastern US time, you claim that Genesis 3 was passed down from Adam to Moses and to others. Thus, you seem to support Hypothesis #1 rather than #2-4. Until I see good evidence for #1-2, I think that #4 or maybe #3 are far more probable.

While Alexander the Great was just a normal human being, a Talking Snake would be a supernatural being and not an ordinary snake. That means that you have to demonstrate with positive evidence that a supernatural Talking Snake is even possible. I’m open to receiving any valid evidence that you may have in your upcoming response, but at this point, as I discussed above, I give the Talking Snake a low probability of existing. To be exact, I think it's safe to call the Talking Snake a myth until demonstrated otherwise.

Because there’s absolutely no evidence for the origin of the Talking Snake, Hypotheses #3 and #4 are consistent with reality unlike #1 and #2 that depend on groundless speculation about supernatural beings and visions. As I said earlier: which is more probable that someone made up a story that was later believed or that Genesis 3 is actual history? Furthermore, conservative Christians and Orthodox Jews would have a serious problem in choosing between Hypotheses #1 and #2. Yet, there’s a problem with consistency in Hypothesis #1. While advocates of Hypothesis #1 would have to admit that Genesis 1-2:14 came as a vision from God, why exclude Genesis 3 from the same set of visions? Why should any conservative Christian or Jew believe Hypothesis #1 rather than #2?

Even if you could ever demonstrate that Moses wrote about the Talking Snake story, you still would have to somehow demonstrate that Moses had access to accurate historical information about Genesis 3 that supposedly occurred thousands of years before he was born. Just saying as you do in your Tuesday February 22, 2022 email at 8:51 am US Eastern time that the earliest known audience believed that Moses existed is no evidence that Moses actually existed. The oldest claim that we have for Moses was still centuries after he supposedly lived. We don’t know if Moses and Exodus were originally a work of fiction, borrowed from other myths, obtained in “visions” by prophets, distorted history, or actually history. Considering the archeological work discussed in Finkelstein and Silberman (2001), there’s no evidence of a mass Exodus from Egypt. The ancient Israelites were probably just Canaanites.

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